Posted on 10/04/2010 1:11:50 PM PDT by Amerisrael
Gee...could we be related??
Begats are awesome...
So he says NOW. No one sits in a pew listening to the disgusting hateful things that his pastor taught unless he agrees with it.
And a parent certainly doesn’t expose his children to it unless he also believes it.
(They ain't in the TITLE of this thread.)
They know their beliefs better than someone that mealy judges them on Free Republic to *not be Christian* That appears to be quite an arrogant position to take on the faith another claims.
They have as much as right to take Jesus as their savior as you do....For you and others to say they are lying is judging their standing before God....Good luck with that when you stand before the judgment seat....
Like the old prophet that cried to God that he was the only one that still believed him.....Gods answer was I have 7000 you don't know about. OOPs on the prophet.....
Can't believe you and Hardgrave are using the liberal arguments and statements here on FR. What's the matter with you guys? This statement your using is consistantantly used for their arguments as well as those in leadership of Islam. Not to mention the so called moderates....are you guys moderates?
We are TRYING to make MonkeyFace feeled loved; but it seems to rub him the wrong way!
I do not believe in the LDS but for you to make comparison’s with islam and LDS is just strait stupid.
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Gosh Shirley then Joey Smith the founder of the religion mormonism is just strait stupid...
cause he was determined to be the 2nd Mohammad..
Wait...
Just for you kid I’ll post the necessary items...
(Thank you MHGinTN)
I will be a second Mohammad
“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”
In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]
It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels.
Consider the following.
Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]
Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.
Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.
As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.
Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]
Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.
Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.
Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.
Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.
“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4]
In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.
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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”
[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.
[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.
[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.
(Decker, Ed, My Kingdom Come: The Mormon Quest for Godhood, Xulon Press, 2007)
Proof please....lot's of accusations here and yet no back up.
This is NOT true, and you **** **!
(FR rules intrusion here)
I didn't really ask your religion, I asked if you are a Mormon, if you are anything other than a Mormon, then just say no to the question.
It would be weird for a Christian to be devoting so much effort on the behalf of Mormonism though.
Speaking for yourself, are you? I attack mormonism...period....no man, woman (except when they attack first for example) and no child.
Why would a woman who a few years ago was into just about every new age idea going and by her own admission, not a "worthy" mormon, act the way you have tonight?
We are still doing the ThuRsday prayers for our mormon sisters and brothers, so if something is troubling you contact Reaganaut via FReepmail and she will add you to our prayer list. Sounds very much like you need our prayers.
That is the same verse many occultists use as well as New age and the UFO spiritual believers who think they are bringing in a new world order and will reconstruct the planet. Might be better if one identifies with being IN the fold of Christ than outside it.
HA ha!
They CAN'T!
They MUST defend their 'Prophet' and their 'Church'!
*yawn*
All y’all are becoming redundundant. I’ll check back in the morning to see if anything new has been posted. Sadly, I’m not expecting anything new and different from y’all.
Which is why I’ve stayed away from your “Religion Forum” threads. Nothing new under the sun.
Have a good night! Don’t forget your prayers!
‘Face
Look at what this thread has become, I never thought so many could be so easily fooled so fast, very sad to see.
Ok; you've made your point.
I am NEVER done. I want to win SOULS. I am more concerned about ETERNITY. (And so were the Founders of theis Great Country.)
*ahem* Elsie. How many times do I have to tell you that Monkey Face is a HER, not a him??? *sheesh*
You took my post out of context.
You have a poor way of winning souls.
But carry on. I am done with this.
Now THAT was a post I can fully agree with!!
Good job!
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