And this guy wasn't much better...
Seriously, though - Hagar was part of God's plan.
It was as much Abraham & Sarah's fault, for being impatient, as it was Hagar's fault for giving birth to the "wild ass of a man".
Posted on 09/22/2010 8:32:49 PM PDT by Abin Sur
If you could eliminate one person from history, who would it be? One caveat: it can't be Muhammad, for one simple reason: almost everyone is going to pick him! This would get rather monotonous, so let's just assume that 90% (at least) of the responses would pick Muhammad first. If you still pick him...BZZT I'm sorry, you've lost, thank you for playing and here's a copy of our home game.
And let's not have anyone picking Muhammad's father or grandfather just to get at him, either. That's cheating.
Ok, now that that's out of the way, who do you pick? Here's the rules: You can go back in history and prevent any one person from being born. You don't have to kill anyone. For instance, if you want to stop Hitler from being born, you can go up to Klara Pölzl (Adolph's mother) in 1880 and give her 10,000 marks to emigrate to the USA. She never marries Alois, so presto...no Adolph. This will have the incidental effect of preventing his brothers from being born as well, of course.
After you prevent your target from being conceived, you snap back to 2010 and enjoy living in a world made better by your actions. Bear in mind, though, that removing someone from history may not have that great an effect. If you prevent Darwin from existing, someone is still going to come up with the theory of evolution. It may be called by another name, and it may be delayed by a decade or two, but things tend to get invented when it's time to invent them.
I would note that some individuals would be exceptions. If you took out Isaac Newton (heaven know why, but it's your choice), modern science as we know it would be delayed by half a century, at least.
Anyway, that's the setup. Who do you pick, and what do you think would be the result of this person not existing?
Hagar.
Robin Hood
I believe he meant Hagar.
Hagar was Ishmael mother, Ishtar is the Assyrian and Babylonian counterpart to the Semitic goddess Astarte.
Hagar was Sarah’s servant and Ishmael’s mother Ishtar was a pagan Babylonian goddess.
Stanley Ann Dunham
And this guy wasn't much better...
Seriously, though - Hagar was part of God's plan.
It was as much Abraham & Sarah's fault, for being impatient, as it was Hagar's fault for giving birth to the "wild ass of a man".
Arius, from whose perversion of Christianity Mohammed came.
But careful folks...
From the ancient liturgies: “O necessary sin of Adam, which gained for us so great a Redeemer!”
The serpent. From the Garden of Eden.
I'm suffering from early dementia, I guess. :)
>>>Ishtar<<<<
>> I believe he meant Hagar. <<
That’s horrible!
Could be he really doesn’t like Warren Beatty.
>>>>Ishmael
>>Good pick.
I hated Moby Dick. But then, I was only in HIgh School. It wasn’t nearly as bad as “Billy Budd.”
Picture a U.S. with no Republican party. Where slavery lasted for generations longer. Where industrialization was suppressed in favor of plantation agriculture. Where the Wilson's and the Bryan's and the other progressives of the Democratic Party were free to implement their Socialistic policies unopposed by any serious political party. You would still have had your FDR and your LBJ. But would you have had your TR and your Ronald Reagan?
Russia was rebelling before Lenin. They would have rebelled without him. Someone else would have stepped up - Trotsky maybe. Or Stalin. Imperial ineptness and the unpopular war would have still seen to that.
The Archduke Ferdinand II ... there would have been a possible delay, or negation, of World War 1. That would have made ‘the Bohemian corporal’ ineffectual, dispelled any of those ‘holy moments’, where he would have been spared death in war, which he wrote about in Mein Kampf, which would be demoted to ‘another human’s journal of life.;
Karl Marx....
You Win!.. Mohadmud’s mama
I gotta say--no one.
Without Hitler, we'd have no Israel. Without Mohammad, we'd have no force against Israel. Same with Marx and Russia (they're backing the ME in the fight against Israel).
Without FDR, we wouldn't have Zer0, and his abandonment of Israel.
Israel is about to be alone in the world, and The Return is imminent.
Also known as Hagar. Ishmael’s mother.
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