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They're finally waking up, but their base won't want to hear it...
1 posted on 08/05/2010 1:24:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dead Democrats voting.
2 posted on 08/05/2010 1:25:46 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is the one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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Link to article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-guttman/presidential-possibilitie_b_670019.html


3 posted on 08/05/2010 1:26:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. ~Master Yoda)
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Wait a few posting, you will hear from some on this site that do not want to hear it either.


4 posted on 08/05/2010 1:28:00 PM PDT by pennboricua
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I love Sarah and donate regularly to her PAC, but I'm not certain POTUS is the best spot for her. Personally, I really like what she's doing now, raising money, playing the role of King Maker, saying all the right things, energizing the populace.

The God-foraking liberals go absolutely apoplectic at the mere mention of her name, and while it's fun to watch them foam at the mouth, their poison sullies the political atmosphere and lessens enthusiasm amongst the “moderates” for doing the hard work it's going to take to undo all the damage the libs have done to this nation the last 50 years.

6 posted on 08/05/2010 1:32:52 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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It Could Be a Close Election

All the more reason to MAKE 0bama prove to election officials in EACH and EVERY state that he is actually qualified under The Constitution to hold the office.

7 posted on 08/05/2010 1:34:48 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (REAL Americans Bow to No One But The Almighty! - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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TV and all the networks plus the media support Obama 100%. The sheep in america watching TV keep them in power.


8 posted on 08/05/2010 1:37:10 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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By 2012 Obama will be lucky to be the candidate for the Democrats if they have any dreams of winning a Presidential election ever again..


11 posted on 08/05/2010 1:41:48 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Species8472; Gator113; chris_bdba; snowrip; Chunga; DTogo; sarasota; NurdlyPeon; Do Be; ...
SARAH PALIN PING LIST "ping"



the Left's fascination continues, but they're starting to take her seriously....




14 posted on 08/05/2010 1:47:47 PM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; M. Espinola

IMHO — 0’s team wants to run against Palin. If fact, the usurper is desperate to face her in 2012. She proved last time the only thing going for her is her pretty face. If you people want to hand Zero the election on a silver platter, all you have to do is support Palin.


15 posted on 08/05/2010 1:52:15 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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The House and Senate may stay in control of the Democrats because in the final analysis even in an anti-incumbent mood many voters revert back to casting their ballots for someone they know rather than taking a chance with a newcomer.”

LOL Somebody slap Robert and wake him up. Not taking a chance on a newcomer doesn’t work quite so well when the incumbent is way past radioactive. Missouri’s a great barometer and just a little glimpse of how bloody November is gonna be for the dims.


20 posted on 08/05/2010 1:58:42 PM PDT by bereanway
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I mentioned this in another thread today, but I sort of boiled ‘12 down to this:

0 won 7 states in 08 that Bush won the previous two elections (NV, CO, IN, OH, NC, VA, FL). Winning all of these back in ‘12 would make it very close, almost 2000 kind of close, but it would be enough.

The question then is what kind of candidate, assuming all the other states not mentioned in the previous paragraph hold true to form, can win those seven states and ultimately the Presidency?


21 posted on 08/05/2010 1:58:58 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (A conservative in the television industry--yes, we do exist)
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From the article: Presidential possibilities in 2012 certainly look like Obama and Palin going against one another. Rather than smiling and jumping for joy the Obama team should take Palin seriously! She will be a tougher and more serious opponent than they think.

The author, Robert Guttman, gets it - but I suspect that liberals enjoy pretending to be oh-so intellectually superior to Sarah Palin (and the millions of Americans she represents) that they'll willfully ignore Guttman's warning and assume that continually mocking her and non-stop media adulation of Obama will effectively cancel out her appeal. They are mistaken.

This isn't 1970 and liberal mouthpiece Walter Cronkite doesn't decree 'that's the way it is', anymore. The New York Times and the various news magazines no longer decide elections. The dinosaur media is flailing and failing. Granted, they were able to get Obama past the usually apathetic voter in 2008 when things weren't really so bad (although the left pretended they were to give Obama something to run on -'hope and change') but the economic climate has soured and hit many Americans, hard, and they hold Obama responsible, not George W. Bush.

Obama's media hype almost guaranteed his fall when his insane socialist policies were implemented. First, the bailouts and trillion-dollar national debt. Then, the massive health care bill nobody wanted. He's weak on Afghanistan and a disaster on the Mexico-U.S. border chaos. The Gulf oil spill put the spotlight on his incompetence. Meanwhile, independent voters have just about given up on Obama. Even some Democrats are trying to distance themselves from Obama. Never a good sign for a president. His job approval numbers are flirting with the 30's, late-second-term Bush territory.

The media can't save Obama because their audience is shrinking and so, their influence is waning. Meanwhile, the 'alternative media' grows in both audience and influence. Fox News is rapidly replacing once-untouchable CBS as the news source of choice for many Americans - and their ratings prove it. Rush Limbaugh is in his 22nd year of broadcasting his conservative views - and his audience remains in the millions. Meanwhile, the TV broadcast network's news show ratings contract with every passing year. Once influential Newsweek magazine is sold for $1. and it's debts.

I have no idea if Sarah Palin really wants to be president (I suspect that she does) and I don't know if she could win a presidential election. I do know that the woman has a lot going for her and the criticisms are mostly superficial and petty or just Democrat attempts to demean her in the eyes of the public, their standard MO. She seems more solid on her recent Fox TV appearances but still engaging and sometimes, controversial...in a good way (challenging Obama).

When the left never stops bashing Palin and even liberal writers start admitting that she could challenge their messiah, Obama, in 2012, that indicates that Sarah Palin is a political force to be reckoned with. She is the only viable political conservative visible on the national scene and she is, as Robert Guttman's piece stated, gaining ground while other possible 2012 GOP contenders are invisible or near-unelectable (Gingrich).

If Sarah Palin chooses to run for the Republican presidential nomination in two years, she'll have my vote. I see no other viable conservative on the scene. Yes, she's been relentlessly attacked by the left but so was Ronald Reagan. He surmounted the 'dangerous, washed-up, second-rate doofus actor' smears the left tried to pin on him. He did it by simply being himself, and had to get past the then-dominate leftist media. Today, with Sarah Palin getting national attention on Facebook, Twitter, websites and Fox News TV, she can overcome the left's smear attempts. They no longer 'own' the information flow and with the country becoming increasingly turned off to Obama and the Democrats, Palin could be a real contender in 2012. Shhhh. Don't tell the Democrats.

24 posted on 08/05/2010 2:22:50 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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If the Huffington Post says it could be close Obambi is going down BIG TIME.
26 posted on 08/05/2010 2:39:39 PM PDT by McGruff (How's that Hopey Changey thingy workin for ya?)
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It’ll happen, and it won’t be a close election.

This is why they are rabidly insane - they know from their polls that Palin is America’s choice by a wide margin, regardless of who the opposition is.

Finally America will have an American president.


27 posted on 08/05/2010 2:43:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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Guttman is ignoring Obama’s natural born status.

There are literally millions of citizens who are completely ticked about how poorly Obama was vetted. Does he seriously think that Obama will get away with this twice?

30 posted on 08/05/2010 2:56:11 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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Funny, for the last 12 months I've seen Palin supporters scream and rant how the MSM picks our candidates for us (McCain ‘08/Romney ‘12), now that they're doing the same thing with Palin it's all hunkey-dorey.

The left would like nothing more than to face Palin in a ‘12 contest, she's the most exposed and may be the most easily beatable . They're tactics are always the same, pummel until they announce or look like they might be running, make nice until the convention then when they win the nomination go back to pummeling.

Conservatives never learn.

34 posted on 08/05/2010 3:03:46 PM PDT by Bob J (Will all my comments be censored?)
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Obama won’t make the ballot in some states w/o a birth cert. Gonna be hard to get reelected w/o those electoral college votes!


36 posted on 08/05/2010 3:06:13 PM PDT by databoss
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I Might have concurred a couple days ago, prior to the Missouri vote. Even the Republicans have underestimated just how mad the electorate is in some states.


37 posted on 08/05/2010 3:09:31 PM PDT by radioone ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.")
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IMHO — huffington is the talking points distributor to the net for the DNC. They keep running pieces suggesting Palin as the “scariest” for them for a reason—but not to “wake up their base.” They are trying to influence RNC! It’s the old “Please don’t throw me into the brier patch!” game. But what is their end game—that is the question. Possibilities:(1) Hillary is already the next in line, and they’re keeping it on the “down low” until Palin gets the shoe-in, then they will drop the bomb. They think Hillary is a sure win in this situation as long as they hammer EXPERIENCED WOMAN.(2)They think if they talk favorably about Palin enough from enough media sources, that the RNC will become physically ill at the thought of doing what the DNC is prescribing that they (RNC) will throw in a Newt thinking they will “show” the DNC that the RNC can’t be out-smarted!

It’s the back ground talk that will answer the question. Look for rifts lining up in favor of Hillary. If that gets pronounced, Hillary is in in 2012. Start watching who they begin “picking on” in place of Palin. If they start downing someone else, while continuing to talk about how SCARY Palin is, we need to start looking at the person they are scrapping.

Rest assured, they are not afraid of Palin. I’d be willing to put money on the belief that Obama will not run in 2012.

My opinion only— Soros told Hillary at that scurried meeting between Obama and Hillary during the primaries, that he (Soros) had made his decision, and Obama was the guy for thus and so reasons, which we can all readily ID at this point. Soros further said, if you play fair and be a good soldier, I’ll put you, Hillary, in at 2012. Obama’s my hit man, but Hillary, you’re the one who can make America okay with it, and you’ll be the first woman President. At first, Hillary and Bill were steaming mad, but Soros reminded them not to bit the hand that feeds you— what Soros gives, Soros can take away— and so Clintons obeyed and now await the reward.

What does this mean for Palin in 2012 as a ticket? Good question. One that needs to be asked.

I love Sarah Palin. She’s great. I just hope someone is working on our “end-game,” because America is one step away from GONE.


57 posted on 08/05/2010 5:31:41 PM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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