Gov Palin and Congressman Paul debate on FOXNEWS with Judge Andrew Napolitano

Conservatives4Palin ^ | 06/12/2010 | Doug Brady

[unseen1]

Gov Palin and Ron Paul as well as Rand Paul debate important issues to the TEA PARTY in this video

[unseen1]

audio worked fine for me.

[unseen1]

that's it that's all you got?

ROFL....you need better talking points that's old news her actions as the anti-obama and the leadership she has shown shows how stupid your talking point is.

[cdcdawg]

no, she has been very active, and I am glad for that. Still, I am disappointed that she quit, and I can’t quite rationalize it. That’s not to say that I don’t support her, just that it’s a very big negative for me.

[SoConPubbie]

Rubbish. Libertarian is weak and liberal on everything. Whoever follows them moves to the left. This is NOT conservatism, not in any sense, but your saying so is simply part of the campaign to blur the lines.

There are two types of libertarians, one group, as you have noted, are quite liberal in nature and policy positions, the other, as referenced by Ronald Reagan as small "l" libertarians, believed in limited government, but also acknowledged the need for morality to be one of the foundations of good governance.

Ronald Reagan quite frequently referred to himself as a small "l" libertarian and fervently communicated the fact that the founders were libertarian in nature and that he wanted to move the GOP back to it's foundation of libertarianism.

[4rcane]

I like to ask, whats the Libertarian view of government role during time of flood, earthquakes. Somehow I just can’t get around the fact that government should do nothing in these situations, just like the gulf oil spill.

Government should build banks to stop floods or oil from hitting shore, they should provide some minimum shelter and food for ppl. Of course we should not make ppl whole from disasters, but we should at least provide some minimum assistance TEMPORARILY

[AuntB]

The interesting thing about this libertarian vs. conservative Reagan thing is this:

Here's a wonderful quote from Reagan in 1975 from Reason magazine.

If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.

http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2004/06/ronald_reagan_t.html

[unseen1]

all are also conservative positions. You are wrong about her christian beliefs. She does wear them on her sleeve she just doesn't think the Constitution allows her to force others to her religion.

[4rcane]

i think the Judge wanted to boost Ron Paul in this debate with Palin. He probably think it be a cake walk to see Ron Paul beat Palin because Palin is such a “goofball”

[unseen1]

Palin came out today and stated she thinks the IRS needs to be trimmed and the income tax the way it is written is wrong. this was on an interview on FOXand Friends this morning: http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2010/06/sarah-palin-sounds-off.html

[unseen1]

In other words one side believes government is evil and the other believes government is a necessary evil.

I'm in the latter group and so is gov Palin and Ronald Reagan.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Still, I am disappointed that she quit, and I can’t quite rationalize it.

But why though?

Since she quit, she has done more to advance the conservative agenda and stop Obama than any other Republican or conservative outside of Rush.

Please also understand why she quit. She wanted nothing more than to finish out her term after the election, but the haters wouldn't let her. Rahm Emmanuel and the DNC specifically targeted her and drove her to near bankruptcy and costed the state millions of dollars. Since when is resigning from a job a bad thing anyway?

[unseen1]

would you keep doing a job that had already placed you $500k in debt and showed the possibility of causing you to get into millions of debt?

I doubt any rational person would.

[upsdriver]

Palin has strong core principles, but comes across as an intellectual lightweight.

They said the same thing about GW Bush and Ronald Reagan. Is it Palin, Bush and Reagan's fault the so-called "intellectuals" can't understand what they are saying? Perhaps it's the "intellectuals" who are the lightweights.

[Grunthor]

“Palin has come out of the libertarian closet.”

How can that be? She LOVES Israel.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

She does wear them on her sleeve

When she's giving private speeches, yes.
She doesn't do it in public or on the campaign trail.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

I like to ask, whats the Libertarian view of government role during time of flood, earthquakes.

What was it before there was a FEMA or Governors waiting around for the Feds?

During the 1906 SanFran earthquake, the Mayor immediately took charge and said looters would be shot. San Francisco

[La Enchiladita]

wow...way to swallow the leftist talking points!

Wow yourself. It looks pretty desperate to scream "leftist" in response to a stated fact.

[Allegra]

I really want to like Sarah Palin.

She hitchd her wagon to McCain and as disappointed as I was, I gave her some slack because it seemed as if it were paying off a debt of some sort.

But if she's going to closely associate with Code Pink looney-tune DeceptiCon Ron Paul, I just don't think I can keep looking the other way.

My jury's still out on Rand, but it's looking a little murky.

[unseen1]

government to me is a necessary evil. That should be leashed by our Constitution to only be allowed to do specific functions. the protection of our shores and oceanic waters are one of the listed powers of the federal government.

there are things a society needs a government for so that it does not sink into anarchy.

the problem with Liberals is they think that government should have no boundaries and the problems with Libertarians is they think the government should have no power. the answer is of course what the founders figured out.

[Al B.]

Just finished watching it onyx. Terrific discussion.

"Up to the maximum of individual freedom consistent with law and order." That was RWR's view and those were his words. It's great to have another strong advocate for that view today.