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Arizona Bill….What would Reagan think?
Flopping Aces ^ | 05-06-10 | Wordsmith

Posted on 05/06/2010 12:00:36 PM PDT by Starman417

Who really knows? No one speaks on behalf of the dead. But I think this article by Alfonso Aguilar offers some good food for thought and cautionary advice (read it from the beginning, regarding why Latinos are a potential voting block for Republicans, not Democrats):

Thirty years have elapsed since the Reagan revolution began, but many Republicans seem to have forgotten Reagan’s views. Arizona Republicans’ passage last week of a law that criminalizes undocumented immigrants and allows for the profiling of Latinos is the most recent example of this.

The fact is that, beginning in 2006, a small but loud group of GOP members of Congress, strongly supported by an anti-population-growth restrictionist lobby (when did these folks become conservative?), began a campaign to oppose any effort to reform our immigration system.

Many hard-line conservatives may not have liked President Bush's attempts at immigration reform, but the status quo certainly hasn't been acceptable, either. It is hyperbolic overexaggerated emotionalism that equates 2006 GOP attempts at immigration reform as the equivalent to "amnesty". It's the "all-or-nothing" mentality that refuses to accept a viable, practical, workable solution.

Sadly, many also started using incendiary anti-immigrant rhetoric — which offended most Latino voters.

This contributed significantly to the Republican loss of the House and Senate in 2006.

Power Line claims the reverse is true.

It also contributed to Sen. John McCain, long an unquestioned supporter of immigration reform and a friend of the Latino community, receiving only 31 percent of the Latino vote in the 2008 presidential election. This was 13 percent less than George W. Bush’s Latino support four years earlier.

Read more at floppingaces.net...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; illegal; immigration

1 posted on 05/06/2010 12:00:36 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

If Reagan were alive and in his right mind today, he’d be in favor of the Arizona law. He tried the whole amnesty thing and found it didn’t work. I very much doubt he would have ever done it again.


2 posted on 05/06/2010 12:04:24 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Starman417
"A Nation Without Borders Is Not A Nation." Ronald Reagan

Anyone who claims to not know what Reagan would thing is either being obtuse or is genuinely stupid.

3 posted on 05/06/2010 12:04:56 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Starman417

For one thing, Reagan would have secured the border.

Having done that, Arizona would not have to be dealing with it.


4 posted on 05/06/2010 12:05:12 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Starman417

As with most things, the cause and solution to a problem do not always appear directly related.

What’s the best way to end illegal immigration? A fence? Possibly. Ending the welfare state? Most definitely!


5 posted on 05/06/2010 12:05:21 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded, my brains fell out.)
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To: Starman417

I wrecked a car in Germany and had to produce my papers. I guess the Germans profile blond hair, blue eyed people now...

undocumented immigrants....and drug dealers are unlicensed pharmacists...

Being in this country without documentation is illegal, this was so long before this law.


6 posted on 05/06/2010 12:05:38 PM PDT by texrepub76
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To: Starman417

Reagan wouldn’t have let it get this far and considering what happened to his limited amnesty, I suspect he would start with building a fence and making life harder for the illegals.


7 posted on 05/06/2010 12:06:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Starman417
As long as the GOP plays along with the racial politics game of the democrats they will LOSE, all official minority groups will vote as a block against them EVERY time, as republicans can never out-pander the democrats.

The only alternative is to appeal to Americans as AMERICANS, regardless of color, who have the same basic interests. That is what Reagan did so successfully.

Widespread illegal immigration and cheapened citizenship are NOT in the typical American's interests. Heaven above, its not that hard to figure out.

8 posted on 05/06/2010 12:10:03 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Starman417
How many conservatives sat home because of McCain's soft stance on the border?
9 posted on 05/06/2010 12:14:47 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Pander to me for a change!!)
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To: Starman417

I like my amnesty plan!
Please call them INVADERS and don’t compare them to people who are legal aliens!
IF you aid and abet CRIMINALS, you are a criminal!

It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas or just Invade.

I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.

Those in government should be the first ones charged.


10 posted on 05/06/2010 12:16:44 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Starman417

This is a fake controversy.

Foreign visitors in any country in the world are required to carry their passport and ID. And produce it on demand. And you will be asked to show it frequently.

And in latin american countries even citizens must carry their national ID card, and you don’t leave home without it. They know that. American press monkeys may not know that, but anyone who has traveled knows that and Mexicans know that.


11 posted on 05/06/2010 12:24:34 PM PDT by marron
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To: tennmountainman
Reagan would have secured the border

Uh, as the wife pointed out the other night, he didn't.

The 86 amnesty was in....86! Which mean't he had two more years to do just that.

He didn't. And he didn't even enforce the employer sanctions component of the law.

Leading us to the present situation, aided and abetted by the other serial malfeasants who followed him in office. Including 3 terms of "Republicans".

I have no idea why. If Reagan saw California now, I suspect he'd puke. So why didn't he follow through?

Beats me. Ask Nancy.

12 posted on 05/06/2010 12:33:03 PM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property.....)
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To: marron
They know that. American press monkeys may not know that, but anyone who has traveled knows that and Mexicans know that

All true. They depend on the ignorance of Americans and the deceit of the American press to run their con game for them.

13 posted on 05/06/2010 12:34:31 PM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property.....)
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To: MEGoody

So does anyone here know just WHO pushed the 1980’s Amnesty through to President Reagan’s desk? I would bet that Bob Dole, Alen Simpson, George Mitchell and Warren Rudman have their fingerprints ALL over it.


14 posted on 05/06/2010 12:55:32 PM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986 Alan Simpson, figures.


15 posted on 05/06/2010 12:57:46 PM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: Starman417
Arizona Republicans’ passage last week of a law that criminalizes undocumented immigrants and allows for the profiling of Latinos is the most recent example of this.

Wow this author managed to pack two big lies into one little sentence:
Lie #1: "law that criminalizes undocumented immigrants"...
The truth is that undocumented immigrants are already criminals in that they committed a crime by crossing the border illegally and they continue to commit a crime by violating a 1940's federal immigration law. This law simply made it also a violation of state law to violate the federal law in the state of Arizona.

Lie #2: "and allows for the profiling of Latinos ..."
The truth is that the law specifically forbids any profiling of Latinos or any other race. Latinos may not be stopped or pulled over for being Latino. And if a Latino is pulled over or stopped for reasonable cause on a traffic violation or in suspicion of some crime, the officer may not inquire as to legal resident status on the basis of the suspect being Latino, but must have reasonable suspicion based on a combination of one or more of several specific conditions that are defined in the law as a basis for such reasonable suspicion.

It would seem that the author of the article is just a liar.

16 posted on 05/06/2010 1:07:48 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Starman417

Well let’s see....the Arizona law actually is not a great deal different from federal law. Unfortunately that federal law is not ENFORCED!! So what would Reagan think about enforcing a federal law which would save the money, property and LIVES of taxpayers? Gee, now THAT’S a tough one!!


17 posted on 05/06/2010 1:32:13 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Regulator; tennmountainman
I have no idea why. If Reagan saw California now, I suspect he'd puke. So why didn't he follow through?

Beats me. Ask Nancy.


Actually, Michael Reagan has already spoken out on this. He states his Dad, Ronald Reagan, said that his Amnesty law, and the lack of follow-on enforcement, was the biggest mistake of his Presidency.
18 posted on 05/06/2010 2:07:02 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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Ping!


19 posted on 05/06/2010 3:26:50 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Illegal is a Crime, it is not a Race ~)
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To: Starman417

Reagan might say we should have enforced the tough immigration laws that were passed along with amnesty. The laws were to keep this situation from happening- amnesty was supposed to be a one-time fix. Border security and strict immigration laws were supposed to keep illegals from being able to simply hike across the border and get a job and social services.

What happened to enforcing the tough immigration laws? Liberals thought the laws were just too harsh so they were ignored or very selectively applied.


20 posted on 05/06/2010 4:34:52 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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