Skip to comments.Founder and Historian David Ramsay Defines a Natural Born Citizen in 1789
Posted on 04/02/2010 2:13:33 PM PDT by rxsid
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You are like a schizophrenic and his visions of things that arent there.
It's you who is seeing things that are not there.
so I guess theres just no hope for you.
There is plenty of hope for me. You however, have your nose stuck somewhere else. Just the other day I had to correct you about the subject of Steinkauler in SCOTUS 1939 case of Perkins v. Elg because he was referred to as a native born citizen where you erroneously concluded that a native born is always a natural born citizen.
|> By that strain of Birther "logic" blah, blah, blah ...
What we've outline to you is fact.
Listen, I know you may not like it. It may not fit in with your After-Birther talking points, as you obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. But it is what it is.
In particular, the Court noted the Constitution's requirement that the President be a natural-born citizen, a condition whose meaning could be derived only by reference to English common law in existence at the time see US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), referencing Minor v. Happersett (1874).
Again: "that the President be a natural-born citizen ... a condition whose meaning could be derived only by reference to English common law in existence at the time". That does NOT include a 20th century Immigration Act ... common law in existing at the end of the 18th century!
If you knew ANYTHING about the events surrounding the Framing, you'd know the 2nd and 3rd "Committee of Eleven" in 1787 actually considered THREE Executives to have a strong, internal set of Executive "Checks and Balances." See, they were a little concerned about a single President usurping power like King George III (rather ironic with Obama in 2010). The problem the delegates in 1787 had envisioning THREE Executors, however, was Executive responsiveness in a crisis.
The delegates ALSO considered requiring Senators to be "Natural Born Citizens" as well (which Massachusetts recommended to Congress in 1798). The 1787 delegate compromise, however, was to lessen the citizenship requirements of Senator, while strengthening that of the SINGLE Executor.
For the office of President, the Framers felt that a SINGLE Executor who had unquestionable loyalty was the best way to hedge against infiltrators, or as John Jay put it, the "admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government."
The Framers had good reason to be so paranoid between 1776 and 1789, monarchs like Prince Henry of Prussia, and the Bishop of Osnaburgh (2nd son of George III), tried to invite themselves to become Americas new king.
... what does Blackstone's Commentaries say in regards to British subjects, Allegiance and "service to two masters" (i.e., Dual Citizenship)?
If you ever return to reality, youll understand that
1401 tells you who is a natural born citizen.
Oh, really?! You need to do your homework, son.
Clue in Congress on you false presupposition, as they have
To define the term `natural born Citizen' as used in the Constitution of the United States to establish eligibility for the Office of President.
I had forgotten about that attempted unconstitutional legislation. I haven’t seen you post it in awhile. :-)
<>We know that NBC is nowhere defined, so we have to think a little.<>
Instead of that little thinking of yours, try reading the article at the top of this thread and the following Supreme Court cases wherein NBC is clearly defined:
I have foreign-language dictionaries which take the pronounciation of southern England as standard so tell the foreigners using the dictionary that an "r" at the end of a word is silent.
There's Obama's fall-back position--have his mother's marriage to Barack Sr. declared null and void because his father was married to someone else at the time. If that doesn't work, claim that Frank Marshall Davis was his real father.
Of course, this is assuming that Barack Jr. was born in the US.
The 12th amendment, adopted in 1804, says "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."
I think it’s a New England trait. Didn’t JFK say “fahmah” for “farmer” and “Cuber” for “Cuba”?
Oh yeah, that the definition of Natural Born Citizen wasn't in the English translation of de Vattel's 'The Law of Nations' until 1797 and therefore you said that definition tying NBC to it didn't exist. You are an idiot. Obviously, you were soooo full of you know what...the word starts with an 'S'.
Very likely. One of my customers from the Boston area had a typical set of "odd" pronunciations. Forward came out "fah-wood". Peabody was "pee'-buh-dee".
Was there ever a challenge to Spiro T. Agnew's eligibility?
I don’t know. Agnew’s father was an immigrant, but I don’t know when (or if) he became a naturalized citizen. Was his mother also an immigrant?
According to census records, his immigrant father was a resident alien (non-citizen) and his mother was American when Agnew was born. I don't know if he received citizenship later but the important fact is that he was not a citizen at Agnew's birth.
If he/she then spent at least 14 years on US soil, Drew would be correct. Might have a bit of a problem getting 53% of the vote though.
Not quite. The NBC requirement also applies to the Vice President, according to the last sentence of the Twelfth Amendment:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States.
You should be ashamed of your self, but at least you openly demonstrate how absurd the depth you'll sink to defend your position and love for the bamster.
If the NBC clause in the Constitution doesn't matter to you why should the 14 years? Why should he have to be 35?
Don't even bother responding, troll.
Damn, I almost thought the wiggster had returned, whew!
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