234 (give or take) years is a long time to be free.
Posted on 03/13/2010 11:01:06 AM PST by opentalk
House leaders have scheduled a vote for next Friday or Saturday according to Politico on ObamaCare. Reports indicate that House leaders are planning to pass ObamaCare without a vote. Assistant to the Speaker Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) advised Democrats not to talk about the procedure to pass the bill. Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has come up with a very complicated procedure to get ObamaCare to the President’s desk without House members having to vote directly on the bill.
So much for the Constitution that says that a bill does not become a law until the House and Senate pass identical bills, and then the President signs that legislation.
Chris Frates at Politico writes about a Van Hollen leaked memo to Democrats:
--The office of Rep. Chris Van Hollen, who is the assistant to Speaker Pelosi, sent a memo to Democratic staffers today telling them to clear members’ schedule for next weekend, saying a vote could come as early as Friday or Saturday, and noting that it was no coincidence that President Obama pushed back his trip abroad from March 18 to March 21st.
For those of you who didn’t believe the liberals in Congress were crazy enough to push forward with ObamaCareafter poll numbers continue to indicate that a vote for this bill is political death for many moderate Democrats, it is time to believe it. President Obama has delayed a trip overseas to continue this lobbying and PR campaign for his government centered approach to comprehensive health care reform for a reason. Pelosi has scheduled a vote for late next week after weeks of negotiating a procedure to pass the bill within the caucus. This is ObamaCare’s last stand with the President and Pelosi pulling out all the stops to get it passed.
It is not suprising that Van Hollen advised members to avoid any talk about the unconstitutional manner in which they are considering to pass the bill.
-- The Van Hollen memo also advised members to avoid talking about the process. “At this point, we have to just rip the band-aid off and have a vote — up or down; yes or no? Things like reconciliation and what the rules committee does is INSIDE BASEBALL,” the memo says. “People who try and start arguments about process on this are almost always against the actual policy substance too, often times for purely political reasons.”
The Constitution clearly states that the House and Senate have to pass a bill before it is send to the President. (See Article 1, Section 7) The House is expected to take up a rule that will deem the Senate passed version of ObamaCare to be passed without a vote upon a condition. The House will be drafting up a reconciliation measure to amend ObamaCare in a manner that avoids a Senate filibuster and skirts the requirement that reconciliation measures reconcile existing law to help balance the budget. This is all very complicated, but the bottom line is that Dems in the House have come up with a procedure to pass ObamaCare while protecting moderate Dems by avoiding a direct vote on the bill.
234 (give or take) years is a long time to be free.
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I think they will see a firestorm that far eclipses tea party stuff. Possibly widespread general strikes, tax refusals, maybe even some violence (probably sparked by a heavy handed response to the large energized protests.)
The Repubs better get out WAY ahead of this, or they will be just as guilty. And just as responsible for the strife that will hit.
This is just a prediction, and to any student of history, not a very outlandish prediction.
I am to become a member of ACE. Which has some oath keepers in their midst.
We will work good together.
It's a matter of defining what is meant by "pass". Except in the case of a veto over ride, which requires a 2/3 majority vote, the Constitution doesn't say what is takes.
So, apparently we will have Congressmen relieved not only of the need to read what they pass, they won't even have to vote on it.
” I would lay the groundwork for some events to highlight the reforms that will quickly become law – no more donut hole, dependent children covered until 26, insurance access for those with pre-existing conditions, etc.”
No god damn way!!!
Im not going to bequeath a dictatorship to my kids. This democrat party socialist overthrow of our nation must be stopped. America is freedoms last stand. There is nowhere to flee too. (even if you were so inclined)
I will check out ace didn’t know about them
please everyone who has ever taken the oath join us.
we must stand together for AMERICA
Yes, they do. Orrin Hatch has already said it is unconstitutional.
There was a day when I would have said..”I hope not.” But I now say “I hope so.”
It has to become a reality that we say what we mean and mean what we say.
Talking, bitching and moaning, praying and all that is nice. But when does the talk stop and reality begin? Are we to become a nation of legislative cowards? Like what happened in Nazi Germany where the populace stood by and simply let the tyranny take over?
--As Mark Levin explains, it is not constitutional. Through his association with Landmark Legal Foudation he is preparing if necessary to fight this travesty in the courts.
Friday night Mark used the words lawlessness, tyranny, and unconstitutional.
Thanks ,Jimmy Valentine's brother post
That is; Americans for Constitutional Enforcement. Iron Mountain Mich
Exactly right. And i think *this vote* will start open revolt. Im not talking random street fights, bombings, and other such nonsense. Im talking about focused mass action, designed to grab our government by the throat,,, the way it was intended to live.
We can do it without firing a shot.
Patience, they haven't actually done anything, yet.
“March 18, 1968: In Israel, Yasser Arafat led his first “successful” terrorist strike against Jews. He had achieved first blood. A bus carrying schoolchildren from Tel Aviv on a fieldtrip to the Negev Desert was blown up when it hit an improvised explosive device planted by al-Fatah twelve miles north of the southern Israeli town of Elat. Two Israeli adults were killed and 28 children had their bodies mangled, mutilated, and burned in the blast.”
http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1960-1969.Islam
Also see search for ‘March 18’ on creeping Shari’a: http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2008/03/18/
Les jeux ne sont pas fait.
Place your bets, mesdames et messieurs.
Maundy Thursday?
Good Friday?
Paging American Ex Pat in SE Asia......
http://laotze.blogspot.com/2008/11/damn-you-all-to-hell.html
Because “The Change (Struggle) Will Do You (No) Good.” After all, struggle IS jihad.
Interesting - Massa in the Glenn Beck show interview, Said it would rip this country apart if they proceed on this bill. (I know the source isn't great), But it is an indication they already are aware of the repercussions and do not care.
We can paralyze this government by net-coordinated mass civil disobedience. They won’t dare resort to violence because they know we are the armed demographic. They will only use violence against a small loner,, Randy Weaver, Waco, etc,,,
But against unarmed crowds of tens or hundreds of thousands, they will be forced to capitulate because they know good and well what the final result is, if violent repression is used here. This isn’t Iran.
I agree on the silence issue.
Now, Nancy, SHUT THE HELL UP!
Good catch there.
I think Massa is a gay nut. However,,he was clearly saying things that were designed to frighten democrats, in his effort to save his gay skin.
If this wasn’t a very real worry for the Dems, Massa wouldn’t have said it. It would have been silly to invoke it, if it was something they didn’t kinda fear already,,
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