DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible

Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

[butterdezillion]

I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".

The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.

[ilovesarah2012]

And how does this PROVE they are eligible?

[ilovesarah2012]

Not defeatist - realist.

[Danae]

"Exactly! So why do you post still think the cretin was born in Hawaii, since it doesn't matter."... because I am being honest.

[Danae]

"I still think the cretin was born in Hawaii, And YOU think that's make him a natural born citizen?"

Not even close. He inherited his fathers citizenship at birth. That makes him a dual citizen. You cannot be a dual citizen and a Natural Born Citizen. You can only have ONE potential citizenship to be an NBC. Obama has two. He has Jus Soli, but NOT jus sanguinus. Right of Soil, but not right of blood. It takes BOTH to be an NBC, and his mom's American Status is not enough to get that, it has to be BOTH parents. He is NOT a Natural Born Citizen and never could be with his parentage.

[Man50D]

And how does this PROVE they are eligible?

Why would the DNC sign a document stating BO/BS fulfills the the provisions of the Constitution if they didn't feel it necessary to prove he meets the natural born citizenship requirement in Article 2 Section 1?

Your refusal to answer a very simple, clear and pertinent question illustrates the weakness of your position.

[EnderWiggins]

I have never defended Obama once. I am defending the Constitution of the United States as per the oath I first took on July 8, 1974.

You seem to keep forgetting that this is a Constitutional issue, not a political one.

[EnderWiggins]

The simple issue here is that nobody knows for certain exactly what the process was for assigning numbers to these documents in 1961. And in any manual batch process of documents, numbers get assigned based on what order the documents are in the stack.

And those stacks have any number of opportunities to get shuffled as they move through the batch process. We've already talked about how blocks of numbers can be given out to different hospitals, something that apparently was done at certain times in Hawaii, though we have no idea what they did in 1961. But even if the numbers were assigned in Honolulu, it was a batch process.

Did somebody alphabetize them on the way? Did somebody drop the stack and pick them back up? Were multiple births set aside separately for special reporting purposes? Were the papers stamped with the date received as they came in, and then put in a pile or pending file for numbers to be assigned later in the day, or later in the week?

The answer to all these questions is that we don't know, and we probably will never know. We only know this:

1) The numbers assigned to Obama and the Nordyke twins are so close that they must have been processed in the same batch.

2) The numbers would have been assigned based on what order the papers fell in the batch, and that could have had exactly nothing to do with any of the dates stamped on them.

Therefore... butter's speculation has no basis whatsoever, and her claims that (again) the DOH is accidentally telling her things that they have never actually said are no more valid than all the previous times she's made them.

[ilovesarah2012]

The provisions of Posey’s H.R. 1503 are straightforward:

“To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee’s statement of organization a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution.”

The bill also provides:

“Congress finds that under … the Constitution of the United States, in order to be eligible to serve as President, an individual must be a natural born citizen of the United States who has attained the age of 35 years and has been a resident within the United States for at least 14 years.”

Why would this bill be necessary if Obama has already proved he is eligible? It’s a very simple, clear and pertinent question that illustrates the weakness of your position.

[BP2]

> as per the oath I first took on July 8, 1974.

Wiggy, pledging an oath to support the Jimmy Carter for Presidential
Campaign is hardly anything to gloat about.

You continue to offer "aid and comfort to the enemy" who
LIES and is as contemptuous as any Marxist dictator.

IF you are a Vet — which is HIGHLY unlikely — the words
"aid and comfort to the enemy" should hold meaning for you.

And that's EXACTLY what you're doing.

[EnderWiggins]

"There are so many different versions of that Obama's letter, none of which match Rep. Abercrombie's bloviation on Jan. 24, 2009

Abercrombie's creative license at the fund raiser notwithstanding, the text of all the "different versions" is identical.

And certainly, you are smart enough to know how web masters and marketing people convert the same document for different media channels, right?

So... your issue here is what exactly?

[BP2]

And certainly, you are smart enough to know how web masters and marketing people convert the same document for different media channels, right?

By unnecessarily changing spacing, tabs, and pagination ... come on. Put the crack pipe down, Wiggy!

I know your side is getting its arse kicked in the ObamaCare "debate" today, but there's no need to deride newspaper typesetters at Inspire Magazine who "publish" the "letter" in March 2008, only to have the White House botch the "actual" letter released to WND several months later to cover Rep. Abercrombie's bullsh!t story to the January 24 hospital crowd.

Wiggy, you're pulling out all the excuses today for a President and White House renown for its LIES, aren't you?

Say it with me, Wiggy: A LIAR LIES — ALWAYS.

[EnderWiggins]

"I don’t know why I’m wasting my time responding to you."

Sure you do. You respond to me because you know that your wild speculation regarding the certificate numbers depends on you knowing what you do not actually know, and it unsettles you that I keep pointing that out.

"We know that Accepted, Received, and Filed are all terms that have been used on COLB’s because COLB’s having them have been posted online. The question Okubo was asked was what the terms mean."

How strange then that she actually did not answer that question in what you posted.

For starters, can you show us a COLB that has "received" on it? Speaking only for myself, I have only seen "filed" and "accepted," but never "received." On the long forms I've seen as well, all of them say "accepted" (by either the "Local Reg" or "Reg. General"). Apparently Okubo has never seen one either, because she never even mentioned it

Now... you asserted that she was saying that COLBs used to have both "accepted" and "filed" dates on them. But we both know this is not true, so even you are unclear on what Okuba was actually saying. Your later certainly seems a tad forced as a reult.

Her explanation appears to be an effort to explain the different labels on COLBs by associating them with the two different "accepted" dates on the long forms. But of course the long forms are date stamped when the forms were "accepted" by two different registrars, the Local and the General. Why would they both say "accepted" if one of them was the date that a document was physically received, and the other was something completely different, i.e. the date a number was assigned?

That hardly makes sense.

If instead that date is (as in the local registrar) the date the document was received in Honolulu, you still have no genuine way of knowing that the number was assigned that same day. Okubo might have assumed so, but not because she actually talked to somebody who would really know. Because anybody with a shred of experience in a batch process for documents will tell you that would be highly unlikely. Even if the numbers were assigned in Honolulu, the documents would be placed in a pile as they came in and were stamped "accepted," thus creating a "batch" that eventually would get to the part of the process where numbers were assigned. That could be later in the day, or week, or month.

And the numbers would be assigned based on the order the documents came up in the stack.

The image of a poor clerk doing those two tasks at the same time (stamping the date "accepted" and then assigning a certificate number with a different before moving onto the next) is absurd in its inefficiency.

The bottom line here, butter, is that you still have no foundation for the claim that the number sequence provides a scintilla of evidence that the COLB is forged

[EnderWiggins]

"By unnecessarily changing spacing, tabs, and pagination ... come on. Put the crack pipe down, Wiggy!

Ignoring that its kinda hard to change the pagination on a one page document, nothing about those other changes was "unnecessary." It was deliberate and purposeful, to get the original text into two different media formats: one a web page and the other a fund raising flier.

You've never done marketing I would guess?

[EnderWiggins]

Because I want to protect him from vexatious requesters.

[EnderWiggins]

Once again... nothing there to do with Presidential eligibility. Back to the Aderall, BP.

[BP2]

Does the FEC have jurisdiction to verify Presidential Eligibility NOW, or is that left to the “integrity” of RNC and DNC to confirm?

Obama was the first major Presidential candidate NOT to accept funds from the Presidential Election Campaign Fund.

What happens if the Presidential candidate DOESN'T accept money from the PECF, like Obama did in 2008? Does the FEC have the power to conduct an investigation of that Presidential candidate?

If you REALLY know the answers to these questions, you'll understand WHY H.R. 1503 and other Bills are necessary, as Pelosi and the DNC were the ONLY ones to check if Obama was "legally qualified" in the 2008 Election.

Please forgive us for not having the same faith in these assclowns that you seem to possess.

[ilovesarah2012]

What the he** are you talking about????? I have been saying all along that a presidential candidate should be required to produce PROOF he is eligible. Nancy Pelosi’s signature on a piece of paper is not PROOF! And the FEC does NOT require a birth certificate!

[BP2]

You've never done marketing I would guess?

Yes, I have experience in marketing and type-setting, Wiggy.

There's NO reason to move the date or change spacing IN BETWEEN lines, yet maintain line length.

> a fund raising flier

WHAT? It is from the hospital's magazine, duffus. Who's giving you your talking points, Wiggy?

[BP2]

> And the FEC does NOT require a birth certificate!

WHY don’t they?

[ilovesarah2012]

How would you expect me to know? Most likely because this issue has never come up (that someone was not born in the US who ran for president).