Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms date accepted and date filed on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms Date accepted by the State Registrar and Date filed by the State Registrar referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of Oahu or on the neighbor islands of Kauai, Hawaii, Maui, Molokai, or Lanai), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of Oahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the Date filed by the State Registrar is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obamas Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
I give you points for staying busy. May I tender a suggestion, Oh Queen Bee? It appears that you are going to be spending much time in the future running around in circles. Perhaps, you could do the running inside a metal circle, attach an alternator, and sell the excess energy back to the power company.
This way, all this self-inflicted torture would save enough on the utilities, to perhaps take a cruise when some court affirms Wong and you need a little off time to experience catharsis.
parsy, the smart-*ssed Drone...bzzzz....bzzz
Dang! What a surprise! I wonder why that is?
parsy, who is feigning mock surprise
...that’s an image of the Maya marriage some months after ‘the cruise’ - during which Madelyn supposedly described her grandson as a ‘social worker’ when he would have been a Senator.
The ‘oriental people’ are the parents of Maya’s husband,IIRC.
I wasn’t hiding behind anyone. I didn’t introduce a phantom expert. I didn’t back out of any statement I made.
I was asked why not just produce the birth certificate. I said I had the same question myself and so asked a lawyer who told me that one has to provide a defense or be subject to a default judgment. I didn’t offer his opinion as expert testimony.
patlin implied that I had asked a liberal lawyer who would agree with me. I responded that the attorney was not liberal that he was a federal judge in Dallas who was very conservative.
patlin wanted a name, which I refused to provide as it would put that federal judge in the middle of the birther controversy and although I didn’t say it, it would also cause problems between my mother and her judge whom she has worked for for 30+ years.
That judge’s opinion is hardly expert testimony. It’s commone sense and can be demonstrated by the simple act of not responding to a speeding ticket.
Your accusation is unwarranted.
> Dang! What a surprise! I wonder why that is?
You tell me, Parsley.
After-Birthers continually come through INSISTING that Wong
was referring to Blackstone’s definition of “Natural Born Citizen.”
It’s good to see YOU AGREE that Judge Gray accepted Vattel
as the defining authority in regards to Original Intent.
If this was an accepted and regular weeklly practice, which it appears to have been, the newspaper would have a firm deadline for receipt of such a list that would be well in advance of the publication date. Maybe due on Thursday for Sunday publication. Do we know date of publication for the Obama announcement?
This kind of information, not time-sensitive, would have been typeset in advance (this was still during the days of linotype), when there was no deadline pressure. Unless there was some huge breaking story, those columns would be ready for printing before the daily news copy was sent to the backshop for setting.
Barring an exceptional event, the announcements would be printed in full, the entire list. And the editor in charge of that section of the paper would likely expect the list to be longer on the weeks when the outer islands reported.
Things like birth announcements (and weddings, and obits) sell papers. That’s why small local papers are doing better than the big newsy dailies in the internet era. Folks like to see their names in print, and those of their neighbors. This was not just a public service, but also a way to boost circulation.
Yes, I worked at a newspaper in linotype days, watched firsthand the switch to offset.
Pardon me now while I go feed the pet pterodactyl.
Sorry, whats-his-diddle, reminded me abut the rest of your question.
Maybe. Maybe not. IMHO. First, there is doubt the images would even be introduced into evidence and accepted. Any hearing related to Obama being born in Hawaii, would probably be determined prior to a hearing. Obama would introduce a certified copy of the COLB, an affidavit or two, and a Motion for Summary Judgement. You probably get a slam dunk at this point and Orly Taitz goes and files a lawsuit against the judge and some stranger over at the coffee shop.
But assume it goes to trial. Certified COLB gets introduced by Hawaiian registrar. Now the Plaintiff has to have a reason to introduce and use the allegedly phony internet copy. I’m not sure what the reason would be. What is the basis for the Plaintiff to introduce the allegedly phony internet copy?
parsy, who is LOST and can’t figure out a good reason to introduce and enter the phony COLB internet copy and wishes he had help trying to answer this burning question (wink, wink)
Thank you. Grandmother sure doesn’t look as though she would have enjoyed a cruise. The whole event sounded like a lie when I read it months ago.
Post 1408: Actually I consulted a federal judge in Dallas
And you wonder why people have a problem with your answer? Who'd you really ask? How do we know if you really did? See the problem?
This is why re-reading is a good thing. I’ll give you a hint. You’re wrong on Blackstone and you’re wrong on “defining”. Do you want to re-read, or do you want me to give you one or both of the answer?
parsy, who notes you are making great progress and are asking questions , now!
Judges are attorneys. Some judges have an active law practice going on. They are not mutually exclusive.
parsy
True. But why open the door when it’s Orly Taitz on the other side with a silly lawsuit. Understand, the cases were dismissed on good and solid grounds.
BUT, if there actually was something wrong with Obama’s place of birth might be willing to “go there”. But no one is going to “go there” when you have a pack of raving lunatics with no legal case, two phony birth certificates, and lying affiants, and a nutbar attorney. It would be stupid.
parsy, who says most judges ain’t stupid
Excuse me but language matters in a debate. Not all attorneys are judges. He cast doubt on his response.
Btw, it was also anecdotal.
Kind of like Wiggy’s fellow “West Point grad” who talked to the DOH for gosh - 2 1/2 hours (when they’re soooo busy) but on a day they were closed...
Some things clearly do not add up, and they expect people to swallow this crap!
The judge’s name is irrelevant to the facts under discussion. The veracity of his statements can be proven without knowing who he is.
My refusal to reveal his name doesn’t disprove the claim I made. Find another red herring.
Yup!
I will now tell you that it was also anecdotal and unprovable.
Youre wrong on Blackstone and youre wrong on defining. Do you want to re-read, or do you want me to give you one or both of the answer? Not necessary. We will accept your continual stonewalling, re-assertions of falsehoods, misinterpretations and how many times you've been PWN3D in the last 48 hours as surrender. We know you're too proud to admit it, but we accept your surrender nonetheless.
We will add your After-Birther scalp to our collection |
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