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How Liberalism and Libertarianism Destroyed Liberty
The Bitpig Rant ^ | 2009.11.10 | Bitpig (B-Chan)

Posted on 11/10/2009 11:55:00 AM PST by B-Chan

The passage of sweeping national health care legislation by the U.S. House of Representatives has set the stage for the greatest intrusion of the State into the everyday lives of the American people in the nation's history. Across the Web, the groans and cries of the free-marketers, capitalists, and libertarians have begun to echo in response. Surprisingly, many of these voices condemn the Catholic Church for its "socialist" commitment to feeding the poor, caring for the sick, and doing the other things Jesus Christ commanded of us. "Without the support of you bleeding-heart Catholics," the refrain goes, "this socialist nightmare could never have passed."

An element of truth exists behind this complaint. A pious Catholic's heart does bleed for the sick, the aged, the destitute, the lame, and the suffering; in this, it mimics the Sacred Heart of our Lord Himself, who gave all He had, including His life, for the sake of the suffering.

But is the Catholic Church "socialist"? Impossible. Socialism is a materialist doctrine with a dialectical and teleological basis that is utterly incompatible with the word and example or our Lord. As such, it has been repudiated specifically in the teaching of the Church, most notably in the encyclical Rerum novarum (1891) of Pope Leo XIII, which states

the main tenet of socialism, community of goods, must be utterly rejected, since it only injures those whom it would seem meant to benefit, is directly contrary to the natural rights of mankind, and would introduce confusion and disorder into the commonweal. The first and most fundamental principle, therefore, if one would undertake to alleviate the condition of the masses, must be the inviolability of private property.1
But if the Church is not socialist, neither is it capitalist. Capitalism, like socialism, is both philosophically materialist and ethically libertarian -- and libertarian thought (which is just Liberal thought with a different name) is completely in opposition to the teaching of Jesus Christ. Our Lord is not a free marketer, a capitalist, an entrepreneur, or a salesman. As the ultimate altruist and counter-example of rational sef-interest, He stands at the opposite end of the ideological spectrum from Rand's Nietzschean superman John Galt. Jesus Christ is a King, not a CEO*, and He commands His servant Church to uphold the Natural Law, which proclaims that every human being is a Child of God -- and as such, is deserving of food, medical care, and the other basic hallmarks of human dignity.

The Church is called upon to provide these social services. The State has no just role in pubic life except to keep the peace, protect the borders, establish justice, and preserve the national patrimony. In a Christian social order, the State officially recognizes the Church's special role in the life of the nation, and protects and support the Church in its provision of social services. This was the pattern of social organization throughout Christendom until the advent of the Lutheran heresy, which proclaimed the cult of individual Liberty and its separation of Church and State.

By destroying the proper relationship between Church and State, the "libertarian" movement invited the State to overstep its ordained bounds and intrude into areas of life within which it has no just business. In a post-Reformation representative republic such as our own, which pretends neutrality in matters of faith, the State cannot fulfill the role of Protector of the Church given to it by God; as a result, over time, popular demand forces the State to assume the provision of social services which in a Christian social order would be provided by the Church.

Human beings have the positive and Divine right to daily bread, health care, and other aspects of human dignity. In his Luciferian quest for individual Liberty, however, Western man has destroyed the Divinely-ordained social order under which the Church provided these goods. As a result, the heavy hand of the State will now intrude into every aspect of public life in its futile attempt to build a just society. Ironically, the worship of individual liberty instigated by the "reformers" of the Church and the secular counterparts of the "enlightenment" has destroyed the liberty under God that individuals once enjoyed as organic parts of the Catholic and medieval social order.

Nationalized health care is a fact. Soon, the power of life and death will rest entirely in the hands of the State. And as the smothering blanket of socialism settles slowly across our land, I invite libertarians to quit their whining. In their quest for freedom from the Church, they destroyed the institutions that kept the State in its proper place. Libertarians made this bed; we are now all going to be forced to sleep in it.

*That was L. Ron Hubbard's gig.


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: catholic; church; liberalism; pogroms; serfdom; socialism; state
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To: wagglebee
The Pilgrims' communal living arrangements had nothing to do with their theology or their views on politics or economics.

After debarking, they had very little while being surrounded by a hostile environment and inclement weather. Similar to life on wagon trains as settlers crossed the country heading west.

Once established, any community naturally divides itself into specialization.

Whatever Rush's point, your rendering of it is facile.

201 posted on 11/11/2009 4:35:49 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The Pilgrims' communal living arrangements had nothing to do with their theology or their views on politics or economics.

Communal living arrangements are inherently both political and economic.

202 posted on 11/11/2009 4:38:11 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

Something is making you howl and letting go of denial is the first step to recovery. I’m just here to help.

We need to get to the bottom of this and find out exactly how to resolve your problem.

Continually passing the blame on others is a sign of utter denial and a result of our Liberal Romanist society.

Obviously you haven’t received the help you needed and if you can be helped surely that may be a way to finding help for the rest of our countrymen.


203 posted on 11/11/2009 4:39:10 PM PST by the_conscience (I'm a bigot: Against Jihadists and those who indirectly support them.)
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To: the_conscience
Something is making you howl...

I'm not howling. You're hearing things.

You need serious help. I suggest you turn to Christ.

204 posted on 11/11/2009 4:40:22 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; stfassisi; Petronski; MarkBsnr
Whatever Rush's point, your rendering of it is facile.

Decide for yourself:

RUSH: Time now, ladies and gentlemen, for The Real Story of Thanksgiving, as written by I -- by me -- in my second book, See, I Told You So. It's page 70 in the hardcover version. "On August 1, 1620, the Mayflower set sail. It carried a total of 102 passengers, including forty Pilgrims led by William Bradford. On the journey, Bradford set up an agreement, a contract, that established just and equal laws for all members of the new community, irrespective of their religious beliefs. Where did the revolutionary ideas expressed in the Mayflower Compact come from? From the Bible. The Pilgrims were a people completely steeped in the lessons of the Old and New Testaments. They looked to the ancient Israelites for their example. And, because of the biblical precedents set forth in Scripture, they never doubted that their experiment would work."

Now, you know the usual story of Thanksgiving: They landed. They had no clue where they were, no idea how to feed themselves. The Indians came out, showed 'em how to pop popcorn, fed 'em turkey, saved 'em basically -- and then white European settlers after that basically wiped out the Indian population. It's a horrible example. Not only is that not true, here is the part that's been omitted from what is still today taught as the traditional Thanksgiving story in many schools. "The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store,' when they got here, 'and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the community as well.

"They were going to distribute it equally. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well. ... [William] Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives. He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the marketplace. ... Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism,' and it had failed" miserably because when every put things in the common store, some people didn't have to put things in for there to be, people that didn't produce anything were taking things out, and it caused resentment just as it does today. So Bradford had to change it.

"What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years – trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it – the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson. If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering," that happens today and will happen "in the future. 'The experience that we had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years...that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing – as if they were wiser than God,' Bradford wrote.

"'For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without [being paid] that was thought injustice.' ... The Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to do their best work without incentive. So what did Bradford's community try next? They unharnessed the power of good old free enterprise by invoking the undergirding capitalistic principle of private property. Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result?"

Here's what Bradford wrote, the governor of the Massachusetts colony. "'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.' Bradford doesn't sound like much of a Clintonite, does he?" or an Obamaite, if I can update it. "Is it possible that supply-side economics could have existed before the 1980s? ... Anyway, the pilgrims found "In no time, the Pilgrims found they had more food than they could eat themselves. ... So they set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians. The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to the merchants in London. And the success and prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans and began what came to be known as the 'Great Puritan Migration.'"

Very few people have heard this story or have had it taught to them -- and the "thanks" was to God for showing them the way. In later parts of the chapter, I quote John Adams and George Washington on their reminisces and their thoughts on the first Thanksgiving and the notion it was thanks to God. It was an entirely different story than is being taught in the schools. It's been muddied down, watered down all these years -- and now it's been hijacked by the multicultural community -- to the point that the story of Thanksgiving is the Pilgrims were a bunch of incompetents and were saved only by the goodness of the Indians, who then were wiped out. And that's what kids are being taught today -- 'cause, of course, you can't mention the Bible in school, and that's fundamental to the real story of Thanksgiving.

205 posted on 11/11/2009 4:40:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Petronski

Still in denial...


206 posted on 11/11/2009 4:41:03 PM PST by the_conscience (I'm a bigot: Against Jihadists and those who indirectly support them.)
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To: B-Chan
I want a Catholic monarchy.

I love ya, man, but the right to keep and bear arms (that natural right, as enshrined in the Second Amendment) will insure that I, among others, will never let that happen. (And for the record, I won't allow a Presbyterian, Baptist or Mormon monarchy either, not that any right-thinking Catholic, Presbyterian, Baptist or Mormon would want a monarchy anyway).

207 posted on 11/11/2009 4:41:06 PM PST by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: the_conscience
Still in denial...

You should sign all your posts that way. It reduces the sense of shock in the reader.

208 posted on 11/11/2009 4:41:45 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: B-Chan
America was founded on the principles of 18th Century Classical Liberalism. I love you BC, but its thoughts such as this that caused the original Americans (no, NOT the Indians, who had no concept of a nation state) to be fervently anti-papalist.

I'll take the America of the Founders over Franco's Spain (the best example of a modern state founded explicitly on Catholic social doctrine) anyday.

209 posted on 11/11/2009 4:42:15 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Petronski
Can you see how the cutesy little continual turn a phrase to another person is a sign of denial? It shows a shallow mentality and sign of real madness.

If you can break that juvenile trait you may well be on your way to recovery.

210 posted on 11/11/2009 4:46:54 PM PST by the_conscience (I'm a bigot: Against Jihadists and those who indirectly support them.)
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To: Petronski; UriÂ’el-2012
You changed Uriel's post when you incorrectly quoted his comment in your POST 130 which you put in italics leading people to think Uriel made that statement.

He didn't.

You've done this deceitful maneuver before. Hopefully this one is the last.

211 posted on 11/11/2009 4:47:46 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski
Communal living arrangements are inherently Roman Catholic both politically and economically.
212 posted on 11/11/2009 4:50:21 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You changed Uriel's post...

I have demonstrated that NO ONE has changed his post. It remains unchanged.

...when you incorrectly quoted his comment in your POST 130...

I didn't quote it at all.

...which you put in italics leading people to think Uriel made that statement.

If you were confused by the italics, that's your fault. If people want to read what Uriel says, they can read his posts.

213 posted on 11/11/2009 4:55:48 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

If you say so. I’m not Roman, so I wouldn’t know.


214 posted on 11/11/2009 4:56:29 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: wagglebee
Lol. Thanks. That proves the Pilgrims' instincts, founded on Scripture and the Geneva Boible were correct and the instructions of their English overlord (much like the pope) were incorrect.

Protestantism = capitalism. Romanism = collectivism.

For evidence, just read either the pope's "global authority" encyclical or this thread written by a Roman Catholic.

215 posted on 11/11/2009 4:56:36 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...their English overlord...

Was a Protestant.

216 posted on 11/11/2009 4:59:56 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
I didn't post coherently at all.
217 posted on 11/11/2009 5:00:13 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; stfassisi; Petronski; MarkBsnr
Lol. Thanks. That proves the Pilgrims' instincts, founded on Scripture and the Geneva Boible were correct and the instructions of their English overlord (much like the pope) were incorrect.

Nonsense, it proves that they tried their way and failed, then they tried a different way.

The so-called "Protestant work ethic" isn't really Protestant at all, it is AMERICAN. You seem to have a desire to worship Calvin instead of God and that is anti-Christian and flies in the face of everything the colonists came to America for.

218 posted on 11/11/2009 5:01:43 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You rarely do. Mostly it’s just steaming gobs of anti-Catholic lies.


219 posted on 11/11/2009 5:01:54 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The Geneva Bible was good enough for the Pilgrims and Puritans.

Geneva Bible? Not the KJV 1611 which was used by Jesus and the Apostles to spread Christianity during His ministry on Earth?

Sad Rome has to look outside the word of God for the truth of Christ risen.

You mean outside the word of Calvin?

220 posted on 11/11/2009 5:03:05 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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