You see, according to the Immigration and naturalization Act of 1952, the controlling legal entity at the time, Obama was a U.S. citizen simply by virtue of his mother being a U.S. citizen.
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, section 349 (a), provided:
"From and after the effective date of this Act a person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by -- (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application, upon an application filed in his behalf by a parent, or duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a parent having legal custody of such person: Provided, That nationality shall not be lost by any person under this section as the result of the naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the result of naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, unless such person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residence prior to his twenty-fifth birthday: ...."
Section 355 of that Act provided that:
"A person having United States nationality, who is under the age of twenty-one and whose residence is in a foreign state with or under the legal custody of a parent who hereafter loses United States nationality under section 350 or 352 of this title, shall also lose his United States nationality if such person has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state: Provided, That, in such case, United States nationality shall not be lost as the result of loss of United States nationality by the parent unless and until the person attains the age of twenty-five years without having established his residence in the United States."
1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3.
Given that Obama returned to the U.S., and established permanent residency there, long before he was either 23 or 25, this distinction is rather irrelevant.
According to what I am reading here, Obama is a U.S. citizen.
Any comments that will address this point?
ex animo davidfarrar
Either of these freepers should be able to help you.
sigh..... newbie, but at least an open-minded newbie.
There is no doubt that the Usurper is a US Citizen.
that is not the issue. What is at issue is if he is a natural born citizen. And the only way that can be is if he was born on US soil.
and the only way to prove that is his ORIGINAL long form BC. he has released a short form COLB, but strangely and suspiciously, has sealed his long form.
His supporters insist that the COLB is good enough. So if there is nothing to hide, then why hide the original long form? Why pay thousands of dollars in legal fees to keep it sealed?
Given that, among other evidence, I strongly suspect that he is not a natural born citizen.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a citizen. He cannot be president.
HOLY CRAP, YOU FOUND IT!!!!!
None of the cretins at FR have ever read the Constitution and you googled it and got the answer. Have you thought of applying for the Mensa society?
In your investigation did parse the section about the difference between Naturalized Citizens and Natural Citizens? Get at least that far before you post.
What is your DU screen name?
I think he might be hiding something, but I simply cannot believe that Hillary would have given up the presidency if there was any chance whatsoever he was born in Kenya. I have also heard that he has spent millions on lawyers fighting this, but that number seems to be randomly thrown out and without any evidence. As far as I can tell, he hasnt needed much for lawyers because no court will take the case.
The issue wont go away because some people passionately believe he is a foreigner. I am not convinced either way, but the whole issue is moot without a court case.
Not Correct. You've been BS'd. The law at the time until 1986 is that the mother had to be at least 19 to pass on US citizenship to her offspring, IF the baby was born overseas. Obama mother was a minor and not 19 at the time Obama was born, therefore she could not pass on US citizenship. Obama would have to be naturalized to become a US citizen. Did that happen?
Obviously, if Obama was naturalized, you cannot be a natural born citizen. And if this was correct, it's not, being born overseas on foreign soil, Obama received US citizenship through statute. Again receiving citizenship through a law passed by Congress does NOt make a person a Natural Born Citizenship.
“Needles to say”
A new FreeRepublic classic?
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What is the name of the doctor who deliver Obama?
If he even ever had it, Obama lost natural born citizenship when his citizenship was changed to Indonesia. It had to be changed to Indonesia in order for him to school there.
My Hubby is a U.S. citizen, but he can’t be president. I’m a natural-born U.S. citizen, and I can.
The supposed docuemtn with seal displayed by factcheck is a forgery because of several items, not the least of which is the forger used the wrong year seal to fabricate the document, so the seal does not agree with the year on the document.
Also, several of the obamnoid apolists keep conflating 'citizen' with 'natural bor citizen'. Frankly, Obama has not proven he is actually a citizen, as you noting in the initial essay! If he used an Inodnesian passport to travel when he was eighteen or nineteen, he displayed dividied loyalties or fraud in doing so or after obtaining the passport since he now tries to proclaim himself a natural birn citizen.
And finally, it is not just the absence of ANY PROOF of his birth location, etc., he has spent more than amillion on an armyu of people tasked with hiding all relevent history of his life! It isn't just his stubbornly not proving that he is a natural born citizen, it is the mountain of deceit and stealth he has to employ to continue the charade of his fabricated life!
Your blogsite has comments from a few professional dissemblers and a few comments from average citizens who want desperately to believe this affirmative action figure liar-in-chief is legitimate.
Barry Soetoro, aka Barry Dunham, aka Barry Obama, aka Barack Hussein Obama is not legitimate, not honest, and he will do anything to prevent the truth from being exposed about hima nd his history. He lied on his application to the IL Bar Assoc so we may be absolutely certain he lies boldly. He has lied throughout the life he has maintained with the public. But the democrap party worships this lair-in-chief even more than they worshipped the degenerate sinkEmperor clintoon.
1. Obama admits he was a British citizen at birth on his website.
2. Anne Dunham had not sufficient residency in the U.S. and wasn’t of sufficient age to confer U.S. citizenship on Barack at his birth in 1961.
3. If he was, in fact, born in Hawaii in 1961, he was a British citizen only, and only under British jurisdiction as a visitor to Hawaii.
4. In 1961 the U.S. did not permit dual citizenship. So even had his mother been of sufficient age and U.S. residency, he could not have gained U.S. citizenship by a Hawaiian birth through her. His Certificate of Live Birth could not grant citizenship to a British national.
5. As with any parents who are foreign nationals giving birth in the U.S., and “not under the juridiction thereof”, Obama would have to return to the U.S. and undergo the naturalization process, and sign a written citizenship oath to gain U.S. citizenship for the first time. This is exactly what happens to the children of foreign tourists whose children claim citizenship under the 14th Amendment birthright. Citizenship under these circumstances does not consti tute being “natural born”.
Therefore, Obama was never a U.S. citizen as a minor, could only become one by naturalization, and if he has not done so, he is an illegal alien like his half-aunt from Kenya.
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From Phil at: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=6358Kerchner et al vs. Obama & Congress et al page 18.
Obama May Be An Illegal Alien
79. There exists a possibility that Obama could be an illegal alien.
80. Obama has yet to adequately prove that he was born in the United States.
81. Obama has publicly conceded that his father was born in Kenya and a British subject/citizen at the time of Obama’s birth which precluded Obama from gaining any U.S. citizenship from his father at the time of his birth.
82. At the time of his birth in 1961, under the applicable statute Obama also could not gain U.S. citizenship from his U.S. citizen mother due to her being only 18 years old at the time of his birth. ENDNOTE 15.
83. There also exists the possibility that if Obama had U.S. citizenship at birth, he lost that citizenship when his mother’s second husband, Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, adopted/acknowledged him as his son and along with his mother took him to live in Indonesia and when he later traveled as a foreign citizen with a foreign pas sport to Pakistan after the age of majority (18) when he was approximately 20.
ENDNOTE 15: A child born in wedlock and abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA, provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the childs birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child). http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html. Obama’s mother, born on November 29, 1942, was 18 years old when she gave birth to Obama on August 4, 1961. She was 117 days short from being 19 years old. But she had to be at least 19 years old (14 years old plus 5 years of U.S. physical presence) to satisfy the legal requirement of Section 301(g). Hence, if Obama was born in Kenya, under the Fourteenth Amendment, he is neither a U.S. citizen by birth on U.S. soil nor one by naturalization. (There is no existing evidence that Obama was ever naturalized.) Nor would he qualify to be a U.S. citizen by any act of Congress by being born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent. If this scenario were proven to be true, it can be reasonably argued that Obama is an illegal alien.
The full docu ment can be viewed at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11317148/
More at: http://www.reagan.com/forum/view_thread.cfm?forum=38&category=25&postid=1101
TO date, there is no proof that Obama was born anywhere on US soil. Consequently, the law in effect at the time of Obama's birth, state's that if the mother is under 18 at the time of Barack's birth -- which Stanley Ann Dunham was -- and the father was not a US citizen -- which Obama Sr. was not -- then US citizenship WOULD NOT automatically pass from the mother to the child -- which it didn't.
In this instance, Obama had to go through immigration to be naturalized, and there is no evidence that he did.
But, the bottom line is that Obama STILL would NOT be a natural-born US citizen.only a child born on US soil, for whom both parents are US citizens, can become President.
On the other hand, Obama illicitly gained the office of President through deceit, document fraud, voter fraud, and obstruction of justice, and on top of that, his latest criminal act of firing an independent Inspector General, should earn him immediate impeachment
Last October, I spoke directly with Hawaii's State Registrar and head of Vital Records, Dr. Alvin Onaka, about an image showing what is called a, "Certification of Live Birth," or COLB and he confirmed what my research proved: that Obama's COLB, dated June 6,2007, was never released to anyone by the State of Hawaii. It is a forgery made to look like a nonexistent document.
What Press Secretary Gibbs affirmed to the world is that Obama and his associates committed felony document fraud by creating and proffering a false identification document in violation of Chapter 18 of the United States Code, Section 1028, Fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents, authentication features, and information:
The term "false identification document" means a document of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purposes of identification of individuals that - is not issued by or under the authority of a governmental entity or was issued under the authority of a governmental entity but was subsequently altered for purposes of deceit.By creating this forgery and passing it off as real, Obama violated both Federal and Hawaiian forgery laws. Additionally, since this Internet image was seen nationwide and was used in conjunction with soliciting campaign contributions, this is also a blatant instance of Internet fraud, and Obama is guilty of Internet fraud in all 50 states as well as nbeing in violation of FEC laws.
The intent of this forgery is clear: to deceive the United States Government, state election officials, American voters, and the national media into believing that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born citizen. Additionally, this forgery was used to derail legal attempts to secure his original birth certificate -- as Judge Robertson did in the Hollister v. Soetoro case.
Factcheck, an alleged nonpartisan, nonpolitical "fact checking website" is nothing of the sort. They were fully complicit in this birth certificate fraud: their mission was to "validate" the COLB image posted online, and to stave off any and all criticisms of it. Factcheck's staff has no understanding of computer graphics nor do they have anyone else in their organization qualified to certify image as genuine.
Since June 16, 2008, Factcheck has run a disinformation campaign on Obama's "birth certificate” including photographing what was alleged as the "actual paper document.”
Factcheck's ties to Obama run far and wide. They are owned and operated by the Annenberg Foundation, but specifically funded by billionaire George Soros.
This is the same Annenberg Foundation that gave $30 million education grant for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, to William Ayers, the unrepentant domestic terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and police stations as a member of the "Weatherman Underground."
It was William Ayers who specifically hired a Chicago community organizer, with no executive or managerial experience, whatsoever, to be the Challenge's Chairman of the Board. That person was Barack Hussien Obama, longtime friend of Bill Ayers, who used this appointment to jumpstart his chances to become a credible Presidential candidate.
All last year, when Obama was asked about his associations with Ayers, he flatly denied that he had any, saying that "Ayers was a guy down the street who bombed buildings when I was eight years old."
Therefore, the same charges that need to be brought against Obama and his Campaign staff also need to be leveled at Factcheck for conspiracy to document fraud and Internet fraud, and for proffering a fabricated government document as a genuine, government-issued birth certificate.
Factcheck is Obama's right hand just as the forger is his left hand, and with birth certificate controversy, one hand washed the other for an entire year! When asked for proof of birth, Obama's aides pointed to Factcheck. When Factcheck was asked any questions about Obama's birth certificate, they pointed to Obama's aides.
If I were a lawyer, the Defendants I'd name would begin with Obama's Campaign staffers, specifically Tommy Vietor and Shaun Daly (who are now working in the Obama Administration), Factcheck, Politifact (Factcheck's sister site), and the Department of Health, Government of Hawaii.
I've told that repeatedly to every single person who has filed an eligibility lawsuit whose sole aim is to have Obama release his long-form "vault" birth certificate, and told them, flat-out, that's the wrong strategy!
If you want to catch the big fish, you've got to start with the little fish first. You do not start with the Big Killer Whale. You have got to disrupt the food chain. Just as the FBI did with the mafia, and then Al-Qaeda.
Once you've disrupted the big fish's food supply, you take away what keeps the the big fish going.
The reason the topic of birth certificates won’t go away, and is bubbling up in the media again - here is a clip that still holds true today, since Hawaii in 1961 did give out COLBs (certificates of live birth) to foreign born babies up to two years old and also since one needs two US citizen parents as well as to be born on US soil. Very well researched...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI
This info and comments came from a high level law enforcement officer in Honolulu so I know it is genuine.
These are things ambiguous enough that a public hearing should be held, both as to facts and interpretation of law.
Why do I hate Albania?