sigh..... newbie, but at least an open-minded newbie.
There is no doubt that the Usurper is a US Citizen.
that is not the issue. What is at issue is if he is a natural born citizen. And the only way that can be is if he was born on US soil.
and the only way to prove that is his ORIGINAL long form BC. he has released a short form COLB, but strangely and suspiciously, has sealed his long form.
His supporters insist that the COLB is good enough. So if there is nothing to hide, then why hide the original long form? Why pay thousands of dollars in legal fees to keep it sealed?
Given that, among other evidence, I strongly suspect that he is not a natural born citizen.
Actually, there is plenty of doubt whether he’s a citizen at all although, as you say, that’s not the point.
If he was born overseas, his mother was too young to confer citizenship. She then married an Indonesian who, I believe, adopted Obama. There is also plenty of speculation that he received assistance as a foreign student, which is why all of his college records are sealed.
I cannot be categoric about this, but I have read in many places that his very first U.S. passport (as opposed to being included on his mother’s as a child) was when he became a Senator, which did not require production of a birth certificate or other proof of identity. His prior overseas travel was most likely done on an Indonesian passport.
So, yes, there is some doubt about his actual citizenship but the main question is how - and how quickly - can it be established that he is NOT qualified to be President under the Constitution.
There is no doubt that the Usurper is a US Citizen.
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What evidence do you have for that?
Did he reaffirm his U.S. citizenship when he reached maturity?
sigh..... newbie, but at least an open-minded newbie.
There is no doubt that the Usurper is a US Citizen.
that is not the issue. What is at issue is if he is a natural born citizen. And the only way that can be is if he was born on US soil.
Close, but no cigar. Obama did not have to be born on American soil to be considered Natural Born.
If both his parents were citizens, then it would not have made any difference where he was born.
However, according to the law in effect at the time, if the person in question (Obmaa) was born outside the US, and if only one parent was an American citizen (his mother), she must have lived in the US for at least 5 years since the age of 16, in other words, she had to be at least 21 years of age.
But she was 18 when Obama was born.
Plus there are all the other questions about whether he lost his citizenship when his step-father took him to Indonesia and he supposedly became an Indonesian citizen and never reclaimed his US citizenship.
And whether or not the fact that he got also got British Citizenship from his father.
And on, and on...
I am thinking along those lines as well. To that end, I don't believe Obama actually has a (long-form) birth certificate. I have noticed that the Hawaiians health officials use the term “birth certificate” and certificate of live birth” interchangeably. I believe they are simply holding Obama’s original COLB.
But I have actually started studying the “natural born” issue far more closely and really don't plan to come back to his U.S. citizenship issue unless someone can show me something dispositive as it relates to the IANA of 1952.
who you callin’ ‘newbie?’
Not so fast. There is no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the mounting evidence is pointing towards a birth in Africa. At the time of his alleged birth, his mother was under eighteen and his father was a British national here in this country on a student visa. His mom was too young to automatically pass along her citizenship to him, and if Obama was not born on US soil, then he is not even a US citizen, let alone a natural-born one.
that is not the issue.
That is exactly half of the issue.
What is at issue is if he is a natural born citizen.
Yes, but that is not the only issue, nor is it the one that would actually remove him from office.
And the only way that can be is if he was born on US soil.
True!
and the only way to prove that is his ORIGINAL long form BC, but strangely and suspiciously, has sealed his long form
Both true! If the paper original long-form actually exists.
he has released a short form COLB
Not true! He had someone fabricate a forged COLB image and post it on the Internet.
His supporters insist that the COLB is good enough.
True! But it would not be good enough. even if it were real.
So if there is nothing to hide, then why hide the original long form?
Exactly! If the paper original long-form actually exists.
If Why pay thousands of dollars in legal fees to keep it sealed?
True, but it's up to $1 million, and counting. The legal fees are to keep hidden his true birth origins
Given that, among other evidence, I strongly suspect that he is not a natural born citizen.
Give that FReeper a cigar but don't light it just yet ;-)
Over a million dollars now in legal fees.
Longer than you.