Posted on 01/30/2009 12:56:39 PM PST by sarah p
i have a question. (actually, i have lots of questions!)
what or who was it that first questioned obama's place of birth?
i am trying to figure out the original source of this info. it seems to me that the key accusation of his kenyan birth came from some who either knew or speculated that his mother traveled to kenya in the summer of 1961. it is certainly a reasonable hypothesis, but is there any evidence or reference that someone can site as to the first person that claimed this?
i think that philip berg was the first to claim that obama's mother traveled to kenya. does anyone recall if he actually was the first and, if so, what he based this claim on?
before you all start calling me an obot, here me out.
I BELIEVE THAT OBAMA IS CONSTITUTIONALLY INELIGIBLE TO BE POTUS, regardless of where he was born because his father was never a US citizen.
it is possible that the kenyan birth theory could have been started to divert our attention from the obvious and well documented fact that obama is not a nbc because his father was a foreign national.
this birth certificate issue has been twisted by the media and others, resulting in anyone who questioned his eligibility to be labeled as "wacko conspiracy theorists, racists, etc. this has resulted in the loss of credibility of this issue in the public eye and hinders otherwise intelligent citizens from looking further into the details of this case.
it is a safe assumption that a harvard trained constitutional lawyer, such as obama, would know the definition of nbc and how he is not one.
of course, i still think it's possible that he was born in kenya. i just think it is easy to get lost in all of the evidence and theories. it would be a good idea for us to step back, look at the big picture and try to determine how this whole mess began.
good bless america! thanks to all who still want to protect our constitution.
Oh goody, another new sign-up with a Birther vanity trying to stir the pot.
Yeah right.
Let's don't ever do anything we haven't done before, so that when new situations arise, we can paralize ourselves and let things go on unchallenged.
How about when new situations arise, we pass the necessary laws to deal with it?
If we look at the history of all the other presidents, would we find their past an open book, their family lineage a common knowledge of the people? We can except Chester Arthur, as he ascended via assassination, or we can look at what we did know about his family lineage, and the travels of his parents and the timing of his birth, just as we are with Obama.
Obama has done nothing different.
Obama has done everything different. He has not only blocked access to his birth certificate, he has blocked access to his family for testimonials, he has not offered any family friends for testimonials, he has blocked access to his school records, he has blocked access to his school papers, he has blocked access to his foundation-work papers, he has blocked access to his legislative papers.
Looking back at all the other presidents, what records (other than birth) have they made available? What associations did they offer as testimonials to their qualifications?
-PJ
He keeps wanting everyone to prove that Barry "The Big Wagyu" Obama isn't a natural-born citizen, when Barry won't give us the tools to do the job, like, his actual birth certificate.
Therefore, we'll just make a valid deductive argument (a modus tollens) to counter the "prove a negative" argument of Non-Sinkquittur:
Nothing to see here. Can't prove that Barry isn't, etc., etc.
Now, where have I ever heard of a group just wanting to Move On, when it came to Presidential feloniousness*?
;-) * Well, DEMOCRAT Presidential feloniousness, to be strictly accurate. George W. Bush was committing all sorts of felonies, just by being alive, according to this unnamed group...
I see your alarm is working. You got here really fast. You love the bc threads, it just makes your day complete doesn’t it?
We have a law in the constitution. Every other candidate except a seceding VP was known to the general public. Everyone knew where there birth place was. In fact people at that local celebrated when the local buy ran. That didn't happen this time. No one took responsibility. Not the party, the secretaries of state, the electoral college, the congress or the courts. So some members of the citizenry are doing it.
Don't need a law. Just need someone to uphold the constitution.
But that's okay, you stay on the sideline. Those of us who care about the law will do the heavy lifting.
s usual, Non-Sequitur trots in with the Anti-Birther Fog Machine and lays down a thick cloud over the issue.
LMAO trots in, He flies in, breaking the sound barrier on the way
My guess: This was posted to detract from the attention we are giving to the fraudulent stimulus package. To direct more attention to the bc issue and not what is important RIGHT NOW. The bc issue will expose him, but the most important thing now is to keep calling DC and keep fighting this insane package.
A little ‘if’, absent any evidence that he wasn’t born in Hawaii.
and absent any REAL evidence that he was.
yea and brought about 5 others with her. You know the ones. Same ones every time.
Perhaps we are being visited by the spirit of e.e. cummings.
I know of no law requiring he produce them.
Don't need a law. Just need someone to uphold the constitution.
No, you need a law. The Constitution lays out the requirement but is silent on who is responsible for checking those requirements and how. Until that loophole is closed then Obama is violating no law by refusing to show you his birth certificate.
But that's okay, you stay on the sideline. Those of us who care about the law will do the heavy lifting.
Let me know how you do.
-PJ
The constitution says you have to be qualified. How do you you suggest we verify a candidates qualifications, mind reading? Are you really this unable to answer your own questions or are you just playing around. My grandson figured this out in about 3 minutes.
I did not post this to distract attention from the “stimulus package.” That bs payout bill is an outrage! It is even worse if Obama is not even qualified to pass it in the first place.
I think that many of the people here are intelligent enough to focus on more than one issue at a time.
By Gums, you're right! He was on this thread like Stink on Barry - in under 15 minutes! I was in just before him, because I was heavily involved that day in mocking Big Barry over his taste for the good things in life, like $100 a pop chunks of steak hors d’oeuvres.
It seemed like a good thread to continue the mocking.
He'll figure something out - you usually have to produce when you're on the clock... ;-)
Very good observation.
Yes, it's not like anyone official is going to drop everything to take care of the birth certificate issue any time soon. That poisoned fruit will ripen in its own good time.
Porkulus fraud, to line the pockets of the legislating tax-cheats IS the major focus right now.
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