Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Earth on the Brink of an Ice Age
Pravda ^ | 1/11/09 | staff

Posted on 01/11/2009 7:10:15 AM PST by xtinct

The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years.

Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record, and studies of ancient plant and animal populations all demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern of Ice Age glacial maximums which each last about 100,000 years, separated by intervening warm interglacials, each lasting about 12,000 years.

(Excerpt) Read more at english.pravda.ru ...


TOPICS: History; Outdoors; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: globalcooling; globalwarming; gore; iceage; nobelprize
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 121-132 next last
To: xtinct

Nice article. Can we get something similar from a science magazine or journal instead of Pravda?


61 posted on 01/11/2009 7:57:39 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Teachers open the door. It's up to you to enter. Before the late bell. When I close the door.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jpsb

DEAL!
We’ll send the liberal types to Cajun country. Cajun’s can make some good gumbo outta dem yeah!


62 posted on 01/11/2009 7:58:47 AM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: jpsb
What are you doing to do with all those 10 of milions of Yankees that migrate south because of the cold?

Ever met a real Cajun? Handling Yankees will not be a problem for those folks.....I guaroooonteee!

63 posted on 01/11/2009 7:59:59 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Government is not the solution to the problem. Government IS the problem - Ronald Wilson Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Ditter
Not much. I think Big Al is so delusional about how important and smart he is it would matter what facts you presented him you couldn't shake his beliefs. It is a from of mental illness that often display itself in people who are paranoid and those that have Napoleon complexes.
64 posted on 01/11/2009 8:00:06 AM PST by redangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Man50D

Not to worry the communists will simply claim the ice age is caused by CO2 and Global Warming. The MSM will lap it up and nothing will stop the cap and trade scam.


65 posted on 01/11/2009 8:01:02 AM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: KevinDavis

Well documented source material from a country that is noted for the scientist they produce and who knows a little about cold. I was reading about the M cycle back in the 70’s. This stuff is nothing new just forgotten because it doesn’t fit the PC notions of the times. And for the record the “Hockey Stick” graph had been discredited by every real climatologist in the world.


66 posted on 01/11/2009 8:03:15 AM PST by redangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: screaminsunshine
"nothing will stop the cap and trade scam."

A mile of ice on top off DC will stop it. Seriously, if the snow cover lasts long enough to shorten this seasons growing period things will get very bad very fast. Better get your garden up and running this spring.

67 posted on 01/11/2009 8:05:57 AM PST by jpsb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: xtinct

68 posted on 01/11/2009 8:08:31 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KevinDavis

Pravda is not a reliable source for many articles, but I’d like you to show me where, in this article, they have been irresponsible or played fast and loose with the data.


69 posted on 01/11/2009 8:10:47 AM PST by cydcharisse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: an amused spectator

20 years from now if someone would tell me I would believe NYTimes more than Pravda and I would be surprised.

For that matter the only newspapers except for a few that will be around in 5 years will be all state supported.

I hope that IBD would survive though.


70 posted on 01/11/2009 8:17:31 AM PST by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals really intend to increase the misery through their actions. Gives them power)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: pepperdog
I believe it was a money grab from the git go.

It turned into a money grab but I beleive it is all about control.

71 posted on 01/11/2009 8:18:45 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: Kirkwood; jpsb

solarcycle24.com is a great site.

If interested in the sun got to go there.


72 posted on 01/11/2009 8:20:58 AM PST by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals really intend to increase the misery through their actions. Gives them power)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: RetiredArmy

GLOBAL-LUKEWARMING!


73 posted on 01/11/2009 8:21:25 AM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: SeattleBruce
People keep asking “what really goes through Algore’s mind”.

I can't help myself, I keep imagining bullets.

74 posted on 01/11/2009 8:22:06 AM PST by Carl from Marietta
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: xtinct

The coming week in Missouri will be below average temps.

Global warming?? hrrrrumph!


75 posted on 01/11/2009 8:28:08 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xtinct

Hey, if this is true, AGW will be running around the world PROMOTING more carbon output to battle the dangers of the ICE AGE by CAUSING some global warming. Now wouldn’t that be something......?


76 posted on 01/11/2009 8:31:24 AM PST by politicalmerc (NObama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xtinct; All

100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles:

ScienceDaily (Jun. 7, 2002) HANOVER, N.H.
Thanks to new calculations by a Dartmouth geochemist, scientists are now looking at the earth's climate history in a new light. Mukul Sharma, Assistant Professor of Earth Sciences at Dartmouth, examined existing sets of geophysical data and noticed something remarkable: the sun's magnetic activity is varying in 100,000-year cycles, a much longer time span than previously thought, and this solar activity, in turn, may likely cause the 100,000-year climate cycles on earth. This research helps scientists understand past climate trends and prepare for future ones.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073439.htm

____________________________________________________

If you look at the chart below, you will see that sunspot activity (during solar maxes--the individual peaks) has been relatively high since about 1900 and almost non-existent for the period between about 1625 and 1725. This period is known as the Maunder (sunspot) Minimum or "Little Ice Age".-ETL

____________________________________________________

From BBC News [yr: 2004]:
"A new [2004] analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years. Scientists based at the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich used ice cores from Greenland to construct a picture of our star's activity in the past. They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer."..."In particular, it has been noted that between about 1645 and 1715, few sunspots were seen on the Sun's surface. This period is called the Maunder Minimum after the English astronomer who studied it. It coincided with a spell of prolonged cold weather often referred to as the "Little Ice Age". Solar scientists strongly suspect there is a link between the two events - but the exact mechanism remains elusive."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3869753.stm

____________________________________________________

It's really hard to imagine how this little ball of fire could have any impact on our climate at all.

But the main arguments being made for a solar-climate connection is not so much to do with the heat of the Sun but rather with its magnetic cycles. When the Sun is more magnetically active (typically around the peak of the 11 year sunspot cycle --we are a few yrs away at the moment), the Sun's magnetic field is better able to deflect away incoming galactic cosmic rays (highly energetic charged particles coming from outside the solar system). The GCRs are thought to help in the formation of low-level cumulus clouds -the type of clouds that BLOCK sunlight and help cool the Earth. So when the Sun's MF is acting up (not like now -the next sunspot max is expected in about 2012), less GCRs reach the Earth's atmosphere, less low level sunlight-blocking clouds form, and more sunlight gets through to warm the Earth's surface...naturally. Clouds are basically made up of tiny water droplets. When minute particles in the atmosphere become ionized by incoming GCRs they become very 'attractive' to water molecules, in a purely chemical sense of the word. The process by which the Sun's increased magnetic field would deflect incoming cosmic rays is very similar to the way magnetic fields steer electrons in a cathode ray tube or electrons and other charged particles around the ring of a subatomic particle accelerator.-ETL

____________________________________________________

There's a relatively new book out on the subject titled The Chilling Stars. It's written by one of the top scientists advancing the theory (Henrik Svensmark).

http://www.sciencedaily.com/books/t/1840468157-the_chilling_stars_the_new_theory_of_climate_change.htm

____________________________________________________

And here is the website for the place where he does his research:
2008: "The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name 'cosmoclimatology'"..."Cosmic ray intensities – and therefore cloudiness – keep changing because the Sun's magnetic field varies in its ability to repel cosmic rays coming from the Galaxy, before they can reach the Earth." :
http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate

____________________________________________________

From a well-referenced wikipedia.com column (see wiki link for ref 14):
"Sunspot numbers over the past 11,400 years have been reconstructed using dendrochronologically dated radiocarbon concentrations. The level of solar activity during the past 70 years is exceptional — the last period of similar magnitude occurred over 8,000 years ago. The Sun was at a similarly high level of magnetic activity for only ~10% of the past 11,400 years, and almost all of the earlier high-activity periods were shorter than the present episode.[14]"

[14] ^Solanki, Sami K.; Usoskin, Ilya G.; Kromer, Bernd; Schüssler, Manfred & Beer, Jürg (2004), “Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades compared to the previous 11,000 years”, Nature 431: 1084–1087, doi:10.1038/nature02995, . Retrieved on 17 April 2007 , "11,000 Year Sunspot Number Reconstruction". Global Change Master Directory. Retrieved on 2005-03-11.

____________________________________________________


"Reconstruction of solar activity over 11,400 years. Period of equally high activity over 8,000 years ago marked.
Present period is on [the right]. Values since 1900 not shown."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation

____________________________________________________

From NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory's "Not So Frequently Asked Questions" section:

Q-Does the number of sunspots have any effect on the climate here on Earth?

A-Sunspots are slightly cooler areas on the surface of the Sun, due to the intense magnetic fields, so they radiate a little less energy than the surroundings. However, there are usually nearby areas associated with the sunspots that are a little hotter (called falculae), and they more than compensate. The result is that there is a little bit more radiation coming from the Sun when it has more sunspots, but the effect is so small that it has very little impact on the weather and climate on Earth.

However, there are more important indirect effects: sunspots are associated with what we call "active regions", with large magnetic structures containing very hot material (being held in place by the magnetism). This causes more ultraviolet (or UV) radiation (the rays that give you a suntan or sunburn), and extreme ultraviolet radiation (EUV). These types of radiation have an impact on the chemistry of the upper atmosphere (e.g. producing ozone). Since some of these products act as greenhouse gases, the number of sunspots (through association with active regions) may influence the climate in this way.

Many active regions produce giant outflows of material that are called Coronal Mass Ejections. These ejections drag with them some of the more intense magnetic fields that are found in the active regions. The magnetic fields act as a shield for high-energy particles coming from various sources in our galaxy (outside the solar system). These "cosmic rays" (CRs) cause ionization of molecules in the atmosphere, and thereby can cause clouds to form (because the ionized molecules or dust particle can act as "seeds" for drop formation).

If clouds are formed very high in the atmosphere, the net result is a heating of the Earth - it acts as a "blanket" that keeps warmth in.

If clouds are formed lower down in the atmosphere, they reflect sunlight better than they keep heat inside, so the net result is cooling. Which processes are dominant is still a matter of research.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/explore/other.html#SUNSPOT_CLIMATE

____________________________________________________

NASA graph of sunspot activity over the past 400 years [note the profound lack of sunspot activity during the "Little Ice Age" period (apprx 1650-1720), AND the sharp INCREASE during the past 60 years:

http://science.nasa.gov/ssl/pad/solar/images/ssn_yearly.jpg

77 posted on 01/11/2009 8:33:15 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xtinct

Hey, AL Gore can Lead an SUV Parade thru the I-90 Corridor, and beat back the Cold with CO2 emissions.

What ? You say Water Vapor is 100 times more powerful as a Greenhouse Gas compared to CO2 ?

What ? The Solar Sun Spots have disappeared for over a year ?

Maybe Al Gore is wrong ?


78 posted on 01/11/2009 8:34:10 AM PST by 4Speed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: xtinct

And just when I completed plans to move to Point Barrow Beach...!


79 posted on 01/11/2009 8:37:38 AM PST by Savage Beast (The Left is decadence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RetiredArmy

That’s exactly where it’s going.

The planet has a fever... oops, the planet has a cold... either way it’s bad, bad, bad... and America’s fault.


80 posted on 01/11/2009 8:37:42 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Don't blame me, I voted for Vaclav Klaus.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100 ... 121-132 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson