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Obama’s Failure To Prove His Alleged USA Birth
PA Pundits ^ | 1/1/09 | Forseti

Posted on 01/02/2009 11:14:35 PM PST by Kevmo

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The above was in response to a recent article: SCOTUS To Discuss Obama Birth Certificate Case on January 9

Long-winded article, but I thought it was a good discussion of whose burden of proof it was -- the people's or the candidate's?

1 posted on 01/02/2009 11:14:36 PM PST by Kevmo
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link

http://papundits.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/obamas-failure-to-prove-his-alleged-usa-birth/


2 posted on 01/02/2009 11:15:04 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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Mr. Obama claims that he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

What make this date credible? Nothing in his history is verifiable. It's hearsay from his autobiography.
3 posted on 01/02/2009 11:31:58 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: BIGLOOK

It’s also hearsay on his forged CoLB.


4 posted on 01/02/2009 11:32:52 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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If the Court has this duty to function as guardian and interpreter of the Constitution, then when must it act to qualify the President elect? Before, during or after the election? Should it be barred from deciding this issue because of timing, i.e, the candidate has already won the election, so it’s too late? Perhaps we should turn to the 20th Amendment for guidance.

It's too bad that the author only limited his thinking to this final resort, although I do like the thinking around If the Court, instead, turns a blind eye to it, then just who will be the judge of “if the President elect shall have failed to qualify,…?”

However, what of the candidates before the election? Is waiting for a winner the only time to assess qualification? Can we not assess qualification when a candidate announces? What is the purpose of an "exploratory committee?" What is this committee exploring? To whom is it reporting the results of its exploration? Is a candidate's eligibility one of the things being explored?

What about if a candidate accepts federal funding? Is accepting federal funding when unqualified to be president a case for fraud?

What about if a candidate refuses federal funding? Does this remove the candidate from further federal scrutiny unless and until he wins? Is an unqualified candidate who accepts private donations also guilty of fraud?

Are the parties to be expected to provide proof of qualification of their candidates? What about write-in candidates or independent candidates who run without party sponsorship?

-PJ

5 posted on 01/02/2009 11:35:39 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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I believe Al Gore’s immortal phrase “No controlling legal authority” comes to mind here.

None of the bodies that might exercise authority over this matter are willing to step up to the plate.

If no one is willing to enforce the law then, well, we can all ignore the law in the bright light of day.

No harm, no foul.


6 posted on 01/02/2009 11:39:14 PM PST by sinanju
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Good questions. I’m glad we have the 20th amendment. I note that this author zeroes in on that, which is what I’ve been doing lately.


7 posted on 01/02/2009 11:40:11 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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I do detect that the entire social contract between the people & government is under question with this issue.


8 posted on 01/02/2009 11:41:31 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo; Non-Sequitur
Yes, and I have to thank Non Sequitur for pointing that out to me weeks ago. I was focusing on the 12th amendment, too. In the posts before the election, we were discussing the difference between procedure before the electoral college votes vs. after the electoral college votes, and when the best timing was for the Supreme Court to get involved, and on what would they base their opinions.

I'm guessing that these articles are being culled from all the thinking that has been posted here at Free Republic for the past two months.

-PJ

9 posted on 01/02/2009 11:53:15 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Kevmo
Nancy says he's eligible so it must be true. (sarcasm) Photobucket
10 posted on 01/02/2009 11:55:25 PM PST by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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Like Pelosi would ask for proof!


11 posted on 01/03/2009 1:45:48 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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Unfortunately, That certificate with Pelosi's signature will be sufficient for any court in this nation.

To knock that down, someone has to come forward with their own evidence that he isn't eligible. That hasn't happened yet.

The burden of proof in cases like this is on the plaintiff. You won't see a victory in the courts if the person bringing the case doesn't have their own evidence to prove their position.

No court is going to ask for even more evidence that Obama is eligible. And they won't ask Obama to prove he isn't eligible, either. That certificate is good enough unless someone can bring a compelling case that the certificate is fraudulent.

12 posted on 01/03/2009 2:22:46 AM PST by cc2k
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She is the same one who gave an overview of what the Catholic Doctrines are and was chastised by the Pope.
13 posted on 01/03/2009 2:59:55 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To knock that down, someone has to come forward with their own evidence that he isn't eligible. That hasn't happened yet.

Where have you been? This statement from Obama's "Fight the Smears" website admits that Obama was a British subject -- ergo, he's can't possibly be a "natural born citizen."

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”


14 posted on 01/03/2009 3:41:39 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: BIGLOOK
With the exception of a colored man that stands in front of microphones ad nauseum, everything we know about zero is hearsay.

No school records, no official records of any kind (COLB excluded) and so far as I have seen .. not even Chicago newspaper accounts have much to say about zero and his activities as a "community organizer".

Zero is one human being short of being a hologram.

15 posted on 01/03/2009 4:47:20 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

hollowgram


16 posted on 01/03/2009 4:48:03 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Kevmo

Obama And That Other Ponzi Scheme
President-elect’s name may emerge in Norman Hsu fraud trial

DECEMBER 31—As if being linked to one high-profile criminal case weren’t enough, President-elect Barack Obama’s name may soon pop up in another federal prosecution, this one involving a massive Ponzi scheme (no, the other massive Ponzi scheme). In addition to the Rod Blagojevich pay-for-play probe, Obama could figure in the upcoming fraud trial of Norman Hsu, the disgraced Democratic fundraiser who was charged last year with operating a $60 million pyramid scheme. According to investigators, Hsu, a major Hillary Clinton fundraiser, pressured investors to donate money to political candidates with whom he was aligned. In a letter last week to U.S. District Court Judge Victor Marrero, Hsu’s lawyer, Martin Cohen, requested a 60-day delay in the start of Hsu’s trial, scheduled to open January 12 (Cohen cited the “extraordinary level of negative publicity” generated by the recent arrest of alleged Ponzi schemer Bernard Madoff). In his December 22 letter, a copy of which you’ll find below, Cohen also noted that Hsu was already “notorious for his political activities” and that it was “inevitable” that his client’s “connections” to Bill and Hillary Clinton “and other democratic notables—including perhaps the president-elect—will be introduced at trial.” Before becoming a key fundraiser for Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid, Hsu co-hosted a 2005 California fundraiser for Obama’s political action committee and introduced the Illinois Democrat to Marc Gorenberg, a Silicon Valley venture capitalist who later joined the Obama campaign’s national finance committee. Prosecutors allege that Hsu directed his investors to donate money to specific candidates, and then reimbursed them in violation of federal campaign laws. Unswayed by Cohen’s argument, Marrero declined to delay the trial, which will begin a week before Obama’s inauguration. (6 pages)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1231082hsu1.html


17 posted on 01/03/2009 7:30:10 AM PST by KeyLargo
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I can’t help but believe that after this controversy began to break, lots of money and a few trips to Hawaii, 0bama has “manufactured” a suitable forgery and had it placed in the records. I believe he was born in Kenya, but like “who shot JFK?” we’ll never know for sure.


18 posted on 01/03/2009 8:29:00 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (In memory of Liberty and Freedom: July 4, 1776 - November 4, 2008 - Pray for the USA)
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To: DooDahhhh

Like Pelosi would ask for proof!

<<My thots exactly :(


19 posted on 01/03/2009 8:42:16 AM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: The Sons of Liberty

0bama has “manufactured” a suitable forgery
***I fear you are right. That’s what any sensible communist would have done in his position.


20 posted on 01/03/2009 9:32:25 AM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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