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To: Chief Engineer; maggief; LucyT; Protect the Bill of Rights; Iowan; Fred Nerks; Polarik

Do we have a good accounting of a FIRM date as to when the Dunhams would have arrived to Hawaii in 1960?

- Madelyn, the mother, reportedly started working at a bank as an escrow officer
- Stanley, the father, I believe became a manager of a furniture store
- Ann started classes at Univ of Hawaii on Sept. 26, 1960
- Obama SR was a foreign national of what would become Kenya on Dec 11, 1963. Some say Obama SR was forced to marry an "expecting" Ann because her father threatened to cause problems and have Obama Sr's visa revoked -- a shotgun wedding, of sorts

Follow-up questions:
- What would happen to Ann's STATE residency status if she left Hawaii before being in place for one year?
- How would that have been affected, if at all, by marrying a UK subject, when Ann and Obama Sr got hitched reportedly on Feb. 2, 1961 (ANN'S EXACT AGE: 18 years, 2 months, 5 days -- less than age 19 for transfer of citizenship at the time, and less than age 21 for other rights and privileges at the time)?

Here's part of the reason I'm asking:

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child. (emphasis added)

351 posted on 02/05/2009 7:35:31 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Firm date does not exist with any of the information we have on their past :P

Property records of their first home might help though.


361 posted on 02/05/2009 8:28:36 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: BP2

Here’s what I have:

After a year living in Seattle, her family moved to Mercer Island, Washington, in 1956 so 13-year old Ann could attend the Mercer Island High School that had just opened. At the school she was on the debate team and graduated in 1960.

Her family moved to Hawaii and Ann enrolled in the University of Hawaii at Manoa for the fall semester (1960). She studied anthropology.


362 posted on 02/05/2009 8:38:51 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: BP2
The first sentence of Paragraph (b) of that same statute is the one of concern:

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate.

Utility bills, checking accounts, leases, rent payments, property tax receipts, income tax forms, etc, were all that was needed to establish residency.

And, don't forget that grandparents could also register a late birth.

365 posted on 02/05/2009 8:55:26 AM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: BP2

Ok jumping back in here, probably on the wrong post but when Susan Blake was contacted, did anyone think to ask her the name of the woman Ann was staying with? That woman has been mentioned a few times and no one has mentioned her name. I am curious!


430 posted on 02/05/2009 8:30:13 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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