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The Untold Story of the Civil War
Jackson Jambalaya ^ | December 2, 2008 | Kingfish

Posted on 12/02/2008 6:57:32 AM PST by prplhze2000

came across an article from an old issue of U.S. News & World Report commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Civil War. What was interesting was that it compared the treatment of the South for decades after the war's end to the millions of dollars and additional support given to Germany and other European countries through the Marshall plan and concluded the South's fate was a drag on the rest of the country as it remained the poorest section of America by far.....

U.S Treasury agents streamed through the South in 1865 grabbing cotton, land, anything that they claimed to have been the property of the Confederacy. They took cotton valued at $30 million. Behind them came hordes of carpetbaggers (With the Wall Street Journal's blessing I'm sure. They'll invent some economic theory to justify it while professing to hate the looters in Atlas Shrugged) from the North to drain away any Southern Capital they could lay hands on..."

The Southern steel industry, doing a booming business in 1900, was virtually stopped in its track, Southerners said, by a rate structure imposed by the North. The rates required payment of price differentials so sharp that it became cheaper for an industry in New Orleans to buy steel from Pittsburgh than from Birmingham. Not until World War II were changes made in this system."

Such policies created a region so poor and under-educated that FDR called the South the "nations number one economic problem" in 1938...

(Excerpt) Read more at kingfish1935.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: civilwar; civilwarsouth
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To: manc

We call that the “That mean ol’ Lincoln tricked us into shelling a fort” school of southern blame-shifting.


141 posted on 12/02/2008 5:48:07 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: gost2

There’s a few around here who feel the same too.

Maybe we could do a swap, all conservatives in the north come down , not all republicans mind as some republicans are RINO’s and we can give the north east all the liberal and homo’s to them.

Hey they want their agenda so let them have their agenda up there and we can have what we want, .
teachers who teach
low tax’s
normal marriage
gun rights
hunting
small Govt
borders closed
no pork spending
etc
etc

they can have their liberal utopia with homo’s running around in white dresses.
high tax
illegals running amok
high tax’s
big Govt and nanny laws
high tax’s
child molesters getting a taking to instead of jail
high tax’s


142 posted on 12/02/2008 5:48:07 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

do you get credits for the course?


143 posted on 12/02/2008 5:48:55 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: manc

Nah, I just audit the course for entertainment value. Maybe next we’ll hear the one about how there were more free blacks in the southern army than there were free blacks, period.


144 posted on 12/02/2008 5:53:00 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: manc
Lets not fall into the liberal PC version of how the north came thundering down south to free the blacks and that was it.

No, the North came thundering down because the south launched an armed rebellion. Maybe you should be asking why they started the war?

Funny how the biggest race riots in the country happened in the north after the war by union troops

The biggest ones were actually in the South - Memphis and New Orleans.

Yes it makes good ole liberal feel good but it is not true, still when did the truth ever get in the way of a good little myth to them.

And once again we see a prime example of tired Southron myth - anyone who disagrees with the Southern rebellion has just got to be a libera. Well, read up on Davis, his government, and his policies and you'd be surprised.

145 posted on 12/02/2008 6:00:18 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

there was?

EEK

SARC


146 posted on 12/02/2008 6:12:04 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I swear do you actually know anything about this history as some of the things you mention are just out of this world

Now you go on about the race riots

no the biggest were in NY by union soldiers who did not like seeing blacks taking their jobs.
Why do you constantly ignore facts?
I have studied this for over 10 years as an historian and this is why I came over here and lived in the north and the south .
It was to see how much was known about the war and the different way people looked at it.
We have had on here one person from the north who decided to actually learn about it and then found out a lot how the south was being done over and so has my wife.
It is not all northerners who are ignorant to history but just some who think that they should be right regardless of the facts.

I’ve already told you why the war started way back so either you forgot or you just ignored it.

hey it is liberals who try and change history and never let the facts get in the way of their good myths(Clinton being a prime example) but I wasn’t on about you but hey if you think I was so be it.

If you think it is tiring why do you spend all day and I mean all day on here reading it?


147 posted on 12/02/2008 6:20:14 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Non-Sequitur

why should I ask myself when I have told you why it started, why I have talked to folks who had ancestors on both sides and even have talked to black folks who had ancestors who fought for the confederacy.
It was like me telling you how the Indian 6 nations were fighting for the south and was doing great defeats to the north but then you come up with your well the north had Indians there was one at the signing.
Still not sure if you were serious about that though as sometimes a sense of humor can be missed on here.


148 posted on 12/02/2008 6:23:10 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Actually, the southern states believed they were constitutionally in the right, and that the radical Republicans under Fremont and Lincoln were the rebels...and they have a valid argument....

P.S. my dad was from the New Hampshire mountains and my mom from South Boston, so I wasn’t raised with the stars and bars flying on the porch.


149 posted on 12/02/2008 7:03:33 PM PST by coolbreeze (giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys.)
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To: OL Hickory
None of this is taught in the history books in the north..You have to take the time and effort and dig deep to find this.

Yes it is truly amazing what one finds when one does their own research and forms their opinion on the facts and not the filter of another natural biases.

I am fortunate enough(or is it misfortune)to hear stories passed on from family members who actually lived through this era. One such story on my father's side was the family livestock was confiscated as contraband by Grant's army. My great great great grandfather and his brothers pleaded for their return but were denied. The mules, vital to put break ground after winter, the four brothers snuck into the Union camp to "steal back" their animals. Two got caught and were swiftly hanged for their efforts.

The irony of it all was they were tobacco growers and hated the cotton planters and were pro-union until this happened

So history isn't dry recitation of events long ago to people unknown but very personal to me and my family. And when persons like Non -Sequator make idiotic comments about the South and belittle it's suffering after the war, i go ballistic. I admit the cause which the South fought wasn't worth the blood spilled and the agony inflicted. However that wasn't the only reason and there were many others and to gloss over them does an injustice to all those who fought and died.

History isn't as cut and dried as Non-Sequitur would like to believe.
150 posted on 12/02/2008 7:10:30 PM PST by RedMonqey (Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
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To: Non-Sequitur
And what rights were those?

Since you insist on being tutored on the basic tenets of the Revolution:

Excerpts:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."


Sound familiar? It's the U.S. Declaration of Independence and states very clearly the reasons and rights of a free people and a free state to secede.

Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration believed in the right of secession as did many northern states.... when they wanted to secede from the Union.

The only reason Lincoln won was he was more a butcher than King George. The Union had the technology to back it up but not the Constitution

"The pen is mightier than the sword" but not rifled cannons and repeating rifles.
151 posted on 12/02/2008 7:50:35 PM PST by RedMonqey (Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
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To: x
The Confederate government had imposed a cotton tax

Being taxed by one's own government for it's defense is wholly different than being taxed by an hostile, army of occupation to pay for the occupation, don't you agree?

It was one of many reasons for the Revolutionary War.
152 posted on 12/02/2008 7:55:48 PM PST by RedMonqey (Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
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To: Non-Sequitur
Of all the states in the Union, California is the least associated with that war. Not one battle was fought there and few men went east to fight.

Reagan went West and became a man of the West. He damn sure left the liberal yankee states behind him. Those with the rotting politics, and rust belt industry.

If Reagan was a yankee because he was born there, then you get both Bush 41 and 43. However, like them, he was smart enough to get out. You like the cold, rude, rusty, liberal hell hole the NE and Upper Mid West has become, great. PLEASE stay there, and call home some of the a$$holes that have come down here.

153 posted on 12/02/2008 8:28:19 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS
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To: Non-Sequitur
... winners write the histories and the losers write the myths...

I give you credit for being half right.

Which "loser" wrote about Lincoln Lincoln writing the Gettysburg Address on the back of an envelope...or that young Abraham Lincoln wrote his homework with a lump of coal on the back of a shovel.....

Guess them wily Confederates outfoxed them thar historians, eh?
154 posted on 12/02/2008 8:33:16 PM PST by RedMonqey (Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
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To: manc
I do wonder when I hear the word traitor is they also apply that to those who wanted to fight the English and at the time they were called traitors of others

Only to those below the Mason-Dixon line. ;-)
155 posted on 12/02/2008 8:35:22 PM PST by RedMonqey (Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


156 posted on 12/02/2008 8:37:04 PM PST by kalee
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To: Non-Sequitur
The war started when the commander of the first rebel battery said, "Fire".

If an battleship of an hostile foreign power(say Venzuela) enters New York harbor, should the Port Authority send flowers or send for the navy to blow it out of the water?

Or would that start an unjust war, in your opinion?
157 posted on 12/02/2008 8:44:37 PM PST by RedMonqey (Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
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To: Non-Sequitur; OL Hickory
He also said, "And if I could preserve the Union by freeing all the slaves I would do that."

And Lincoln's convictions were so strong that by his unconstitutional edict he freed slaves over which had no power to free (the slaves in the Confederacy) and yet left slaves in bondage within the Union where he did had dominion.

The Emancipation Proclamation freed not one slave but was an political attempt to "shine the turd " of Lincoln's war.

Bill Clinton had nothing on ole"Slick" Abe Lincoln.

Put that in yer history books, Non-Sequitur.
158 posted on 12/02/2008 9:03:07 PM PST by RedMonqey (Embracing my "Inner Redneck")
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
We can talk AFTER The South gets to burn down Philadelphia and all of Eastern Pennsylvania.

That would probably be a good idea anywise, just on general principle.

It would put a hell of a dent in the chop-shop industry and knock down the used-parts business all up and down the East Coast.

159 posted on 12/03/2008 1:50:21 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: RedMonqey; Non-Sequitur
Or would that start an unjust war, in your opinion?

Now, now, Monkey Man -- that's an "illegitimate question", lol. The kind Non-Sequitur doesn't answer. (Watch: He'll answer with a question, or a weasel-word, then instantly change the subject, and throw out a wriggling red herring.)

160 posted on 12/03/2008 1:55:23 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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