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You can forget the Birth Certificate - OBAMA ADMITS BRITISH CITIZEN AT BIRTH
Natural Born Citizen ^ | November 15, 2008 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on 11/17/2008 8:23:32 AM PST by Amityschild

Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens". Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;

That's it right there. (Emphasis added.)

The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn't want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.

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To: TheGeezer; bmwcyle

Add to that the fact that the referenced law applies specifically to children born ^outside^ of the US.


81 posted on 11/17/2008 9:44:52 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Non-Sequitur
"You could do the same by providing proof that he was born in Kenya as you claim."

I don't have to prove he was born in Kenya, but he has to prove he is a natural born citizen to hold the office of president of the USA. He hasn't done it yet. What is he waiting for? The issue is not going away.

82 posted on 11/17/2008 9:45:13 AM PST by apt4truth
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To: Pilsner
Nice history, and pertinent, yet that was not the whole of the reasons for the meaning given to "natural born" at the time of adoption. And even drawing a conclusion from the wars between monarchists and overturners would not result in the meaning you gave that "requirement that the President be an American from birth" -- a better result is that the requirement would be that all allegiances, starting from birth, be solely to this nation.

Also it's not yet a publicly proven fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.

83 posted on 11/17/2008 9:48:34 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

“Also it’s not yet a publicly proven fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.”

And in my opinion it never will be proven because he was born in Kenya.


84 posted on 11/17/2008 9:50:03 AM PST by apt4truth
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To: wtc911
(1) Was Janet Woodrow-Wilson ever naturalized as a US citizen?

(2) Were candidate Wilson's qualifications to become President ever challenged in the courts on the basis of the term 'natural born'?

85 posted on 11/17/2008 9:51:36 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
In fact, under English common law at the time the Constitution was adopted, if the FATHER was a not a citizen, then the child was not "natural born". Obama's reported Dad was not at the time of Obama's birth a citizen and was never a US citizen at any other time.

Under U.S. law at the time, since Obama was born in Hawaii then he's a natural born U.S. citizen. His father's nationality is irrelevant.

86 posted on 11/17/2008 9:53:34 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Amityschild
The provision you cite had nothing to do with dual loyalty. It had to do with the lack of natural born US citizens who were at least 35 years old immediately following the adoption of the Constitution.

ML/NJ

87 posted on 11/17/2008 9:53:58 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: bvw
a better result is that the requirement would be that all allegiances, starting from birth, be solely to this nation.

At the time of the adoption of the Constitution, most Americans were loyal to their state first, to the United States second; that remained the case for four score and seven years or so. Your definition would exclude many of the Founders themselves.

88 posted on 11/17/2008 9:54:30 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: apt4truth

Add in the falsified Selective Service Registration, His travels as a young man and a person could conclude that he was NOT living the life of an American Citizen.


89 posted on 11/17/2008 9:54:38 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: djf
Alexander Hamilton was born in the British West Indies.

and hence not a "natural born" citizen by virtue of both history and geography.

90 posted on 11/17/2008 9:55:40 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: ReignOfError

The Founders were each and all “a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution”. By that “at the time of the adoption”, the Founders are included.


91 posted on 11/17/2008 9:57:41 AM PST by bvw
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To: rwfromkansas

Did you LISTEN to the tape of his African grandmother who claims she was present at his birth (Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa Kenya).

Thus far two different hospitals in Hawaii have been named by the family or Obama himself as the place of his birth. He even contradicts himself.

To quote the Keyes lawsuit. “One person cannot be born in three places”


92 posted on 11/17/2008 10:02:10 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: ml/nj

It had everything to do with loyalty. Otherwise why even bother mentioning “natural born”? And the Founders were all fully aware of the loyalty context of the term “natural born” because that is the main attribute Blackstone ascribes to it — it determines to whom allegiance is due.


93 posted on 11/17/2008 10:02:45 AM PST by bvw
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To: Froggie
Also, she likely gave up any American citizenship he had when she moved him to Indonesia as his documents there show Indonesian citizenship on his school records,

No parent can renounce their child's citizenship for them. In order to renounce his US citizenship, Obama would have had to go in person to the US consulate, swear the oath of renunciation and convince the consular official that he did so with the full understanding of what he was doing and the ramifications. And he would have had to do this at the age of 7.

And I don't think anyone has ever given even the slightest bit of evidence about Obama travelling to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. It was perfectly possible to travel to Pakistan on a US passport at that time.

94 posted on 11/17/2008 10:03:33 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Pilsner
a British Subject (not citizen)

The term "citizen" was adopted with the Nationality Act of 1948. "British subject" is still used in the law, but it doesn't have much legal force, and refers to citizens of the UK or of any member of the Commonwealth. Citizens of Canada, for example, are considered British subjects.

95 posted on 11/17/2008 10:04:27 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Non-Sequitur
since Obama was born in Hawaii

What is your evidence for this assumption???

96 posted on 11/17/2008 10:05:10 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Pilsner

In a word,

NO!


97 posted on 11/17/2008 10:05:59 AM PST by webschooner (May piss be upon the One)
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To: hoosiermama

No, I haven’t. That is something that should be checked out.

It has been hard to take it seriously with API and WND leading the charge on this, but with that contradictory information, I hope the lawsuit will produce the original birth certificate...


98 posted on 11/17/2008 10:08:03 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: bvw
It had everything to do with loyalty. Otherwise why even bother mentioning “natural born”? And the Founders were all fully aware of the loyalty context of the term “natural born” because that is the main attribute Blackstone ascribes to it — it determines to whom allegiance is due.

You are assuming -- more to the point, you are asserting that the law assumes -- allegiance based on an accident of birth. By that logic, no Jew could be president, because under Israel's Law of Return, any Jew (subject to some legalese) is eligible for Israeli citizenship. Ditto anyone with an Irish grandparent, because they, too are eligible for Irish citizenship.

99 posted on 11/17/2008 10:10:34 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: wtc911
Excellant point. The Constitution framers were singularly concerned with determining a simple, unarguable benchmark for all future Presidents.

Many early "residents" of the US came from all over: Loyalist colonists returning from Canada

immigrants from all over the world

residents of foreign/Indian territories that would be annexed/bought by the US

With the chaos of the movement/loyalties of early US residents and no way to determine US citizenship, the framers had no fitness test to assure "Singular Loyalty" except for the only personal, verifiable fact all people possess:

Place of birth.

All else is irrelevant: dual citizenship issues, Mom/Dad foreigners, etc.

If Ahmadinejad and his wife were flying over Hawaii and their child was born in the plane, that child is legally eligible to be President of the US.

Very simple: Determine where Obama is born, nothing more. That is all the Supreme Court will ever care about.

100 posted on 11/17/2008 10:11:49 AM PST by gandalftb (An appeaser feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last......)
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