Posted on 11/17/2008 8:23:32 AM PST by Amityschild
Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.
The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens". Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;
That's it right there. (Emphasis added.)
The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn't want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.
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Add to that the fact that the referenced law applies specifically to children born ^outside^ of the US.
I don't have to prove he was born in Kenya, but he has to prove he is a natural born citizen to hold the office of president of the USA. He hasn't done it yet. What is he waiting for? The issue is not going away.
Also it's not yet a publicly proven fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.
“Also it’s not yet a publicly proven fact that Obama was born in Hawaii.”
And in my opinion it never will be proven because he was born in Kenya.
(2) Were candidate Wilson's qualifications to become President ever challenged in the courts on the basis of the term 'natural born'?
Under U.S. law at the time, since Obama was born in Hawaii then he's a natural born U.S. citizen. His father's nationality is irrelevant.
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At the time of the adoption of the Constitution, most Americans were loyal to their state first, to the United States second; that remained the case for four score and seven years or so. Your definition would exclude many of the Founders themselves.
Add in the falsified Selective Service Registration, His travels as a young man and a person could conclude that he was NOT living the life of an American Citizen.
and hence not a "natural born" citizen by virtue of both history and geography.
The Founders were each and all “a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution”. By that “at the time of the adoption”, the Founders are included.
Did you LISTEN to the tape of his African grandmother who claims she was present at his birth (Coast Provincial General Hospital, Mombasa Kenya).
Thus far two different hospitals in Hawaii have been named by the family or Obama himself as the place of his birth. He even contradicts himself.
To quote the Keyes lawsuit. “One person cannot be born in three places”
It had everything to do with loyalty. Otherwise why even bother mentioning “natural born”? And the Founders were all fully aware of the loyalty context of the term “natural born” because that is the main attribute Blackstone ascribes to it — it determines to whom allegiance is due.
No parent can renounce their child's citizenship for them. In order to renounce his US citizenship, Obama would have had to go in person to the US consulate, swear the oath of renunciation and convince the consular official that he did so with the full understanding of what he was doing and the ramifications. And he would have had to do this at the age of 7.
And I don't think anyone has ever given even the slightest bit of evidence about Obama travelling to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. It was perfectly possible to travel to Pakistan on a US passport at that time.
The term "citizen" was adopted with the Nationality Act of 1948. "British subject" is still used in the law, but it doesn't have much legal force, and refers to citizens of the UK or of any member of the Commonwealth. Citizens of Canada, for example, are considered British subjects.
What is your evidence for this assumption???
In a word,
NO!
No, I haven’t. That is something that should be checked out.
It has been hard to take it seriously with API and WND leading the charge on this, but with that contradictory information, I hope the lawsuit will produce the original birth certificate...
You are assuming -- more to the point, you are asserting that the law assumes -- allegiance based on an accident of birth. By that logic, no Jew could be president, because under Israel's Law of Return, any Jew (subject to some legalese) is eligible for Israeli citizenship. Ditto anyone with an Irish grandparent, because they, too are eligible for Irish citizenship.
Many early "residents" of the US came from all over: Loyalist colonists returning from Canada
immigrants from all over the world
residents of foreign/Indian territories that would be annexed/bought by the US
With the chaos of the movement/loyalties of early US residents and no way to determine US citizenship, the framers had no fitness test to assure "Singular Loyalty" except for the only personal, verifiable fact all people possess:
Place of birth.
All else is irrelevant: dual citizenship issues, Mom/Dad foreigners, etc.
If Ahmadinejad and his wife were flying over Hawaii and their child was born in the plane, that child is legally eligible to be President of the US.
Very simple: Determine where Obama is born, nothing more. That is all the Supreme Court will ever care about.
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