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1 posted on 08/10/2008 4:30:27 AM PDT by Soliton
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"and something we don't know, but you can imagine it to be anything you like, happens here."

Yeah, that whole "Cambrian explosion" thing always bothered me. Punctuated equilibrium just seems like something people dreamed up to explain why life seemed to spring out of nowhere with tremendous diversity. They don't understand it, but they call it science.

2 posted on 08/10/2008 4:58:39 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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You know that there is one God and one faith as the scriptures clearly state throughout and every livng creature of mankind, male and female, must make peace with the living God of Israel or choose to make war with Him and those who believe Him.
And the sorrow of not beleiving Him will destroy all those who chose not to accept His offer of forgiveness by believing How that His only begotten,sinless Son died for OUR SINS on the cross of Calvary and rose again the third day unto everlasting Joy for the saints of God who beleive on Him.
Disregard the opposition of science, falsely so called and you will one day know when you die and go to the be judged for your sins before Him , Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour of them that believe Him.

Romans 1:
14. I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.
15. So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


6 posted on 08/10/2008 5:14:57 AM PDT by kindred ( Third party conservative,the lesser of two evils is an unacceptable evil.)
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To: Soliton

Given the number of “evolution in the gap” arguments made by evolutionists, there seems to be a lot of “we don’t know” floating around on their side, too. And, by the way, part of “science” is to criticise faulty theories (such as those proposed by evolutionists) as part of the falsification process, which is why evolutionist arguments that “creationists only criticise” are bogus. You could make the same accusation against people who debunked the phlogiston theory or the aether, and be just as wrong, from a philosophy of science perspective.


9 posted on 08/10/2008 5:28:16 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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Science is a discipline, a rewarding endeavour to understand things in relation to other things and their interactions.

The intellectual tool of science is designed only to make sure that one's measurements be as accurate as one's technology permits, that one's measurements use the appropriate tool for the quantity being measured, and that one's conclusions follow logically from one's premises.

If one works very diligently, then one may be able to separate what one hopes or believes is out there from what actually is out there. That is, one may be able to systematically eliminate one's misconceptions about what is out there in the world by the practice of science and, as a result, be able to exercise control over it and then use it for one's ends. This is the power of science.

The choice of both premises and ends, though, lies outside the field of science because science is limited to reasoning and experimentation based on measurable quantities. In addition, all systems of thought that deal with the cause of existence, the purpose of existence, or the meaning of existence, whether theism or naturalism in all their many varieties, are outside the field of science. The problem lately has been that too many naturalists have forgotten this. They seem to believe that since they have limited themselves and the rest of existence only to measurable quantities, with the assumption that all these should be, in theory, open in some way to the verification by their own senses, the universe and all that was, is, or ever shall be (to quote St. Carl) is restricted to these measurable quantities that exist in a web of cause and effect that pervades everything. This is a naturalist belief, but it is not a scientific one.
11 posted on 08/10/2008 5:37:48 AM PDT by aruanan
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The theory of evolution is not a belief; it is a scientifically useful model.

Sure it is!

(So how about a prediction, or two? Isn't that what models are good for?)

ML/NJ

19 posted on 08/10/2008 6:02:31 AM PDT by ml/nj
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we associate the production of useful complex things with intelligent design and craft, typically by humans. It is a simple-minded extrapolation to imagine some deity creating, in a "hands-on" way, the wonderfully complex systems in our world.

Interesting choice words. "Hands on way". How about in an a "hands off way"? Humans design complex adaptive systems that change automatically i.e. "in a hands off way" all the time.

God lives outside our four dimensional world. I am sure he is capable of designing complex adaptive systems in a "hands off way".

This author should try and think "outside the box" .

31 posted on 08/10/2008 11:39:50 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan
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The theory of evolution is not a belief; it is a scientifically useful model.

For what? LOL! Atheism?

43 posted on 08/10/2008 8:26:15 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Legalize the Constitution::::The power to tax is the power to kill.)
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