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Obama's 'civilian national security force
eons ^ | july 15, 2008 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 07/23/2008 4:48:42 PM PDT by Born In America

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To: Born In America

This brown shirt/NAZI plan would have had the conservative community in an uproar only a few years ago. Now it’s greeted with a rolling eyes and a yawn by republicans. Republicans are not conservative and this is going to cause lotsa trouble.


21 posted on 07/23/2008 6:37:52 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: randomhero97

I think a civil war, or any excuse for emergency martial law, is EXACTLY what Obama wants.

And his minions will be eager to make anyone opposed to Obama and his National Socialism “pay”.

I vonder if de new CNSF will wear Red armbands with black symbols on a white field (diversity you know) and have nice black and silver uniforms?


22 posted on 07/24/2008 3:59:38 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: Born In America

What concerns me is the words “powerful” and “strong”. Those terms denote offensive capabilities and power projection. It also indicates a “balance of power” or force to “check” the US Military. Maybe since we in the military have an oath to the Constitution and not the President he thinks he needs a force to prevent the military from reacting to a socialist political coup.

That sounds extreme, however when patterned against Obama’s and his wife’s other rhetoric, his supporters backgrounds and statements, and the leftist nutroots fear and loathing of the US Military while openly supporting the other side’s (islamofascist, or any dictator’s) position, I have more concerns than ever about Obama.

After hearing about Sen Obama’s speech concerning his desire for a “Civilian National Security Force”, I did more research…. And became even more concerned about what he stated and the outcomes of such an organization. I wrote the following letter to the McCain campaign website, but as I am a conservative, I think they will delete my email unread.

One fact before I get started:

The DoD’s budget includes not only weapons and vehicles, but housing, R&D, procurement, spare parts, retirement, pay, non-appropriated funds (like MWR, family activities, day care, etc). An Obama Civilian Nat Sec Force as well funded as the US Military would not have many of these costs and could spend far more on…. Mission items….

The letter:

“I am an active military member and the following statement from Obama forces me to contact your campaign.

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

I am VERY concerned with this recent Obama speech about a “Civilian National Security Force” as large, as funded, as POWERFUL as the Constitutionally-bound US Military.

Frankly, this scares the heck out of me for many reasons!!

1. Even IF it is true that he MEANT a true unarmed “civilian” “peace corps”, what is to stop “mission creep” from setting in and their powers growing? What is to stop this force from becoming the Soviet NKVD, Stasi, Brownshirts, Maoist “cultural revolution”, Party spies, thought police, etc? History shows this is the probable outcome of such a group. Actually, it is the outcome of EVERY group constituted as such!!

2. Who or what is this force loyal to? If they are federal employees, they will have to take an oath of service. What will that oath be?

3. What checks and balances would be built into this program? Congressional overwatch? UCMJ like regulations? Or, more likely, nothing?

4. As with Obama’s “Cradle to Graduation” education indoctrination policy, will this civilian Nat Sec force be just a democrat indoctrinated group? Sort of a federally funded ANSWER/Code Pink/ACORN organization?

5. Is the purpose of this proposed group to bypass posse commutates?

Since this is allegedly a “national security force”, what exactly will they be securing? What are their boundaries? What is their ROE? What law enforcement capabilities would they have? More importantly, what reporting requirements would they have?

7. Why can our 800,000+ police, the FBI, the ICE (knowing Obama hates them from recent speeches), and others not do this job? All of these groups are bound to oaths, but not to a man. They are bound to equal treatment under the law of all. They are fully accountable to congress. Oh, wait, I think I answered that question.

8. What “national security objectives” has Obama set that he needs a paramilitary force, loyal to who knows, to achieve??? Considering Obama’s other statements and positions, I shudder to think what he might really mean.

9. Why has the media blacked this out, along with most everything else they black out to ensure Obama is cast in glowing light?

10. Finally, WHAT will the Republican Party respond with? Will you respond at all? Or will you, yet again, leave conservatives at the alter and either remain silent or use a Democrat play and promise something even more stupid?

As you might guess, I am a conservative, not a republican. I left the party when the RNC became the Democrat’s beaten, subservient wife in 2003ish. I left when Republicans not only failed to stand up for themselves in Congress, but actually expanded government and wasteful spending.

I feel I am left with the lesser of two evils. Sen Obama (and his handlers) who are the most vile of Marxists and elitists; or Sen McCain who is, at best, a Democrat in slow motion. Sorry Mr. McCain, but you called people like me who want ILLEGAL immigration stopped and our borders secured racists. You continually alienate conservatives, but, unless we want a racist Marxist like Obama as president, along with this paramilitary force, we have to vote for you or try, again to teach the RNC a lesson and stay home. The latter did not work in 2006 so I doubt the RNC would understand now.

In the end though, Obama’s “Civilian National Security Force” plan demands you question him on it and bring it to national attention. Seeing how you prefer to attack conservatives instead, I doubt you will. I hope you will surprise me and provide a reason to support you instead of just voting against Obama.”


23 posted on 07/24/2008 6:11:55 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: Maine Mariner

He intends for it to be more on the lines of the German Gestopo {Sp?}. Ant the oath thak will be along the line of, “ I swear allegience to Barak OBama”.


24 posted on 07/24/2008 6:16:43 PM PDT by sport
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To: randomhero97

I don’t know if he thinks he can pull it off or not but you can bet the farm that if he gets in he will try it.


25 posted on 07/24/2008 6:18:13 PM PDT by sport
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To: Born In America

It’s called involuntary servitude and the 14th amendment forbids it in any form.


26 posted on 07/24/2008 6:30:32 PM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: Born In America

Why name Obama’s “Civilian Security Force” with an obscure Inuit name “Katimavik”? ... why not something more meaningful to the world: Gestapo?


27 posted on 07/26/2008 5:40:48 AM PDT by bimbo (T)
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To: ETL
Will you please cast my vote -- and yours -- on Tuesday...

The fat pig calls for democRats to vote twice.

28 posted on 07/26/2008 5:51:04 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: M1Tanker
Obama's Gestapo is not being mentioned by by the MSM or McCain because it is a foregone conclusion ... a fait accompli ... since Republicans and McCain are overdosing on Sominex, and Conservatives are shell-shocked by the idea.

Vote for Barr.

29 posted on 07/26/2008 6:00:02 AM PDT by bimbo (T)
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To: Born In America

Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=4337417

2005: From the Louis Farrakhan / Nation of Islam website, Final Call...
Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):
"We are happy today to be standing side by side with the Nation of Islam. We believe, like the Nation of Islam and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad believe, in a nation of our own. We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology. We don’t worry about the criticism. We love all of those who labored in the Panther Party from the ’60s. Many are with us today."
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1858.shtml

From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
[1960s] Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
From the article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROES

"On May 1st, May Day [1969], the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo.

Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.

The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."

To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."

Source: Maoist Internationist Movement
Article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROS (May 11, 1969):
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html

Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005: "...what Mao Tse Tung did was, he went to the cultural community, and they [Farrakhan spreads his arms beneficently] accepted his idea."..."Mao Tse Tung ... had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."..."the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people, and China became a world power on the base of the culture and the arts community. If we had a ministry of art and culture in every city we'd create this movement [in the U.S.]."
Source: http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html

Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says


"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."
http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/

Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Obama's pastor and spirtual advisor "crazy uncle" of more than 20 years, honors "Honorable" Minister Louis Farrakhan with the "Jeremiah A. Wright Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer Award" at the 2007 Trumpet Gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago.
[it appears the original video was removed, but this one is identical to it]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW2OhkZ0RSg

30 posted on 07/26/2008 6:10:27 AM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my FR home page)
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To: Born In America

While interesting- this is simply not well-sourced enough to be taken seriously. Quinn may indeed have a “source” but where did all the source’s info come from? This is pretty detailed, beginning with assumptions we can’t verify, i.e. the plan being based on Canadian Jacques Hebert’s plan and/or Frank Marshall Davis plan.

Do not misunderstand- I have no doubt Obama would like to try this or similar- but that his plan is this detailed has to be corroborated by more than one source.


31 posted on 07/26/2008 6:27:17 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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