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To: LucyT; Calpernia; null and void
Palmer was discussed in depth on another website yesterday. Folks over there have his number.

That's good. If you would be so kind, please alert them to this summary of my arguments so they don't have to dig through the threads and miss something.

My main critique of Polarik was that he reused his analysis of the Kos, Smears and politicheck images. Those were low res and could have rather easily been forged from low res scans of real COLB's and had the text (name, date, parents, etc) changed. That analysis does not apply to the factcheck photos.

Those were created by the following steps:
1. A computer generated text and border (the real Hawaii software or forger with photoshop)
2. A color printout of the computer generated text and border was made onto the crosshatched paper.
3. The paper was then embossed and stamped with the notary stamp and date stamped (all on or from the back)
4. The paper was then folded
5. The paper was then photographed by factcheck

The other critique I had of Calpernia and null and void is their theory that Ann and Obama Sr went to Kenya on a honeymoon. I have seen no evidence of that apart from the allegation by Berg that he has a recording of Obama's GM saying she was present at the birth. The problem with that is it a recording of someone's voice saying something and won't (and didn't) hold up in court.

In contrast we have statements (but not sworn testimony) in front of cameras by the Governor of Hawaii that she saw Obama's original birth certificate.

For evidence of forgery, it is clear that the seals used on DeCosta and Obama are different. But those were made in 2002 and 2007, so we would have to show that Hawaii didn't change their seal in that time period. There is no other evidence of forgery (re factcheck photos) that I am aware of.

6,290 posted on 11/09/2008 5:58:21 PM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: palmer

I asked you once before to ping me to my posts where I’ve made statements like that. You gave me a random link to the center of this thread and told me to read for myself. I’ve read this whole thread. I don’t think you have though.


6,291 posted on 11/09/2008 6:20:54 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: palmer
In contrast we have statements (but not sworn testimony) in front of cameras by the Governor of Hawaii that she saw Obama's original birth certificate.

Even if she did say that in front of cameras, which I've never seen (where's the link to the video?), how is that in contrast? So what if she's seen the original birth certificate? It doesn't mean that 0bomba was born in Hawaii.
6,303 posted on 11/09/2008 7:10:42 PM PST by Brown Deer
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To: palmer; Polarik

There are no statements that Gov. Lingle has ever seen Jr’s original birth documents, in fact quite the opposite. The head of the Dept of Health in HI said she has checked that documents are on file for Jr. but that Gov. Lingle has not, nor will she see the files! The word was originally posted that Gov. Lingle had ordered the files sealed but that was incorrect!(story appeared in World Net Daily) Even the story about the Dept of Health confirming Jr was born in HI was false! The first sentence in the article was written by a reporter but was not what the head of the Dept said! It was a sneaky case of semantics when the head of the Dept confirmed there were records on file with the HI Dept of Health. She did NOT say that the records confirm Jr was born in HI! In accordance with the Dept of Health at the time when Jr was born, he could have been born off island but have been given a HI birth certificate if he was registered and it was confirmed his mother was a resident of the island.
On the point of Sara (Obama’s step grandmother) saying she and some of his family were present during his birth in Kenya, that story originally appeared at the website
USAfricaonline and was posted by a Freeper here, the same website on which the “Kenyan born” graphic appeared. Once the link was posted people began going to it only to discover that suddenly the “linky no worky”. A few minutes later the link once again worked but the story had been reworded to remove any mention of Sara’s testimony! Now the only thing to be found at the link is the “Kenyan born” graphic. The original post with the story appeared at Free Republic back in April or May. This is not the first incidence of a website suddenly being scrubbed nor will it be the last! I am sure over the next four years many websites will go under on one pretense or another, while journalists practise their sloppy journalism! As a case in point take a look at the story published by “The Honolulu Advertiser” regarding the birth announcement address. They didn’t even print the correct date under their scan of the page where the birth announcement appeared!

Barack Obama: Born in Hawaii
Sunday, November 09, 2008 06:41:06 PM · 373 of 375
AndrewWalden to Chief Engineer
Then explain the address in the birth announcement of 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy.

Read this:
http://m.honoluluadvertiser.com/detail.jsp?key=141105&rc=lo&full=1

There are more problems with their story which I won’t even go into at the moment, but you can read my rebuttal below that post.
Many dedicated Freepers have spent hours on different parts of the Obama story and Polarik shared his work on seperate blogs and here at FR. At one time the scans of the C.O.L.B. were bigger with much more clarity but were reduced in size. The same can be said of the photos at Factcheck. Polarik has written about the images at all the spots and had to recheck once Factcheck posted new images August 21 (after Jr came back from a visit to Hawaii!) You need to do your homework before you start criticising!


6,304 posted on 11/09/2008 7:17:22 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: palmer; Calpernia
Palmer, since you insist on being in the fray, won't you please read all the way to the end of this thread, then go back to 2000 and read the remainder if it. It does no good to squabble, if we are all on the same side. Where do you stand on this issue? What exactly are you trying to prove? Who are you defending?
6,310 posted on 11/09/2008 7:31:08 PM PST by LucyT
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To: palmer; LucyT
In contrast we have statements (but not sworn testimony) in front of cameras by the governor of Hawaii that she saw Obama's original birth certificate.

As I and others have posted elsewhere, there is a provision in the Hawaii state statutes that would enable any Hawaii resident to obtain a birth certificate for a child born out of state after the child is born. It is therefore surely within the realm of possiblity that baby Barry's mother or maternal grandparents obtained a Hawaii birth certificate in Hawaii for him days after his birth in Kenya. Such a birth certificate, under such scenario, should indicate his birthplace in Kenya if bona fide. Notice that Gov. Lingle and her Hawaii bureaucrat lackey were totally mum on the information contained on the BC they purportedly saw and announced their intention not to release it to the public.

6,314 posted on 11/09/2008 8:09:04 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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