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Need cold medicine? Keep your ID handy [will have to have ID logged to buy cold medication]
Pajamas Media ^ | Jun 2, 2006

Posted on 06/02/2006 1:15:20 PM PDT by John Jorsett

Get ready to give up a little bit of your privacy in exchange for certain allergy or cold medicines.

Starting in late September, just in time for cold season, consumers will be required to fork over photo IDs and list their home addresses in logbooks before buying Sudafed, Contac or other remedies containing the nasal-decongestant pseudoephedrine or similar substances.

Some retailers already are asking for the information, which law-enforcement officials hope will help them fight the illegal production of methamphetamine, a highly addictive drug that can be made, in part, by "cooking" pseudoephedrine.

Consumers in Florida and many other states have grown used to sales restrictions on pseudoephedrine-containing drugs -- including their placement behind pharmacy counters instead of on store shelves.

But the latest rules, which also call for limits on purchases of up to 120 pills a day, are part of a federal effort to combat meth addiction.

Methamphetamine abuse is an increasing problem in the United States, with a recent report by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration saying the number of users admitted to substance-abuse clinics more than quadrupled from 1993 to 2003. The problem is particularly acute in rural America, though the Orlando area also has seen a rise in meth labs.

For instance, last year the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration seized 115 meth labs in Central Florida. In 2000, it seized two.

Tracking sales is critical to stopping the spread of meth labs in Central Florida, said Stephen Collins, who heads the Orlando office of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

Collins said it was "very common" for meth makers to comb the region's stores for cold medicine needed to make the illicit drug.

"We had individuals that would canvass up and down Central Florida and the East Coast and hit numerous stores, buying as much as they could get their hands on," he said. "By limiting this, we hope to see the decrease in the number of labs."

The new regulations, passed in March as part of the USA Patriot Act, are being phased in over the next several months. They are stricter than Florida law and will override it, the Florida Retail Federation said.

Dawn Townsend, a pharmacist at Maitland Rexall Drug Store, said she just recently learned about the logbook rule and is in the process of teaching her staff what to do.

"I don't see it as a hassle," she added.

Industry groups say they expect sales of medicines that contain pseudoephedrine to decline as a result of the law. Already, drug makers are selling reformulated cold medicines that don't need to be placed behind the counter, such as Sudafed PE.

"Most big retailers saw this coming," Walgreen Co. (NYSE:WAG) spokeswoman Carol Hively said.

The rise of meth labs prompted several states, including Florida last summer, to pass laws restricting sales of pseudoephedrine-containing medicine. But while consumers may not mind limits on how much cold medicine they can purchase at one time, they may bristle at giving up personal information to buy it.

"The question here is, is it the job of pharmacies and pharmacists to be a policeman on these products [and] what are the privacy protections for people who legitimately buy these products and have their name recorded somewhere?" said Arthur Levin, director of the New York-based Center for Medical Consumers, a nonprofit advocacy group.

Drugstores say measures are in place to prohibit the disclosure of consumers' private information, which retailers must keep for up to two years after a sale. The federal law, for instance, prohibits retailers from disclosing private information except when a legal request is made by local, state or federal authorities.

"We don't have any intention to use it in any way except to make it available to the authorities," Walgreen's Hively said.

And helping those authorities fight illegal meth production is why Lydia McNeil, 60, of Orlando is willing to give up personal information to buy the Sudafed she uses to treat her colds.

"I wouldn't mind signing anything to keep it out of the hands of the people who are using it for the wrong reason," she said, after shopping at a Walgreens on Michigan Avenue in Orlando.

Though the federal law does not provide for a clearinghouse, so purchases could be tracked from store to store, some retailers are working on that approach themselves within their chains. Walgreens and CVS (NYSE:CVS) -- two of the nation's biggest drugstore chains -- said they are developing systems to monitor sales. Wal-Mart (NYSE:WMT) says it already uses an electronic logbook that can track purchases at individual outlets but not from store to store.

Marianne Myers, 45, who was shopping at an Albertsons (NYSE:ABS) on South Orange Avenue in Orlando, said she understood the motive behind the new measures but lamented the implications.

"It's probably a hassle for us," the Orlando resident said. "It's sad that things have to be like that."


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To: A CA Guy
This is to only stop the criminals who buy large supplies

Cold tablets are an expensive and inefficient method to use for meth. This will create a black market for cheaper and more potent ephedera that will lead to cheaper and more potent meth...It always works that way.
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141 posted on 06/03/2006 3:45:37 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99
Meth labs blow neighborhoods up, so I have no problem with these laws at all.

People should have the right to a life and not have it snuffed out by jerks nearby trying to make meth.
142 posted on 06/03/2006 4:10:39 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Meth labs blow neighborhoods up, so I have no problem with these laws at all.

Jeez, you'd think that would be big news. I haven't yet heard of a neighborhood being blown up by anything. How many neighborhoods have been blown up by meth labs? What's the body count?
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143 posted on 06/03/2006 5:42:49 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: A CA Guy
Problem solved.

I travel a lot.

A better solution to the problem is not employ government hands to snoop on our over-the-counter drug buying habits.

144 posted on 06/03/2006 7:20:03 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: socialismisinsidious
brother.

That's Big Brother, to you, citizen.

145 posted on 06/04/2006 12:06:54 AM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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To: John Jorsett

I have an idea.

Since Congress thinks that laws work so well, why don't they just outlaw the common cold and people will have no need to buy this 'medicine' and only drug dealers will try to buy it. /sarcasm


146 posted on 06/04/2006 12:09:17 AM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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To: stands2reason

I'm with you.

There is more of this crap everyday and yet people here still applaud the PATRIOT Act.

Un-freaking-believable.


147 posted on 06/04/2006 12:16:54 AM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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To: Conservative Goddess

BTTT


148 posted on 06/04/2006 12:42:21 AM PDT by Badray (CFR my ass. There's not too much money in politics. There's too much money in government hands.)
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To: virginiaspook
I don't think it's a hare brained idea. I don't see why the feds had to get involved, but I'm sure glad my state passed these laws more than a year ago. The number of labs plummeted and we are saving a lot of money we would have spent investigating these labs, prosecuting and defending these folks, locking them up on incredibly long sentences, providing for the children they left behind, cleaning up the toxic messes they were leaving, and so on. Oklahoma estimated they were spending millions of dollars a month just on meth lab busts when they factored in all the costs. It's a big deal to get rid of all those labs. Now we have fewer people doing huge amounts of this stuff. I believe we'll see fewer people becoming addicts too because there were always several people helping out with each one of these labs in exchange for a steady supply of cheap or free dope. A lot of these people who became addicted because they had easy access to dirt cheap or free meth would never have become addicted had they have had to pay full price for it. Most all of the dope for sale on the market was coming from Mexico or "superlabs" out west where they cook up huge batches from pseudoephedrine they buy in bulk, not from grocery stores, convenience stores, etc. Anyone with any sense should have known all along that putting the speudoehedrine behind the counters wouldn't have any major effect on the overall meth supply, but it did drastically reduce the number of meth labs, which was a major accomplishment in and of itself.
149 posted on 06/04/2006 2:52:55 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz
"The Mexican drug cartels were right there to feed that demand. They have always supplied marijuana, cocaine, and heroin. When we took away the local meth lab, they simply added methamphetamine to the truck"...Tom Cunningham, the drug task force coordinator for the district attorneys council for Oklahoma.

Meth lab busts dropped 80 percent but cocaine arrests increased over 600 percent. You may have decreased the mom & pop meth labs but the result has been an increase of cheaper, stronger drugs on the street...and even more addicts!
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150 posted on 06/04/2006 12:53:32 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: elkfersupper

If you travel a lot and to Mexico, you are allowed a three months supply across the border LAST I heard.

Just have a doctor write a prescription in any case and you will be OK.


151 posted on 06/04/2006 1:35:01 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
For heaven's sake, the cost of drugs are high because of having to make some profit back on the billions of dollars in research it costs to make some of these drugs.

It has nothing to do with the government-granted monopoly?

I should know better than argue with someone who requires no facts for their opinions, but here goes.

I worked for a company named Mallinckrodt in St. Louis in the '80s and '90s, as mentioned in my profile. Mallinckrodt was one of only two legal manufacturers of bulk narcotics like codeine, morphine, cocaine and fentanyl. The other manufacturer was much smaller.

During the '80s and '90s Mallinckrodt multiplied its prices for these drugs by a factor of four each and every year at the behest of the DEA in a misguided and failed attempt to prevent diversion of these drugs.

Now tell me that those exorbitant prices with no basis in economic reality were not passed on to health care consumers. I dare you.

And the "research" costs you so heart-rendingly describe are mostly "clinical studies" farmed out to universities and contract labs who churn them for all they are worth. There is no accountability, only monopoly. I should know. I worked for once of them for a few years after I left Mallinckrodt.

So what first-hand experiences qualify you as an expert on this subject, other than your ego?

152 posted on 06/04/2006 1:54:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: mugs99
"Meth lab busts dropped 80 percent but cocaine arrests increased over 600 percent. You may have decreased the mom & pop meth labs but the result has been an increase of cheaper, stronger drugs on the street...and even more addicts!"

Cocaine arrests went up 600%? Where? Since when? Cheaper, stronger drugs on the street? I don't believe all that. Cocaine busts haven't increased where I am one bit since our laws putting pseudoephedrine behind pharmacy counters went into effect a little over a year ago. Meth hasn't gotten cheaper, and from the crime lab reports I'm seeing it doesn't appear to be getting stronger either. More addicts? Is that so? I don't know where you are getting all your information on this but it is b.s. These laws really haven't even been in effect long enough to see all the consequences of them yet. So far all I can see in my work is that there has been a huge drop in the number of meth lab cases and there appears to be a drop in the number of cases where people have done crazy things after binging on massive doses of the stuff for long periods without sleeping. That and the average length of time people sentenced to prison before being eligible for release is probably dropping because we've disposed of most of the old meth lab cases by now that were causing a major spike in the average and contributing in a big way to prison overcrowding that was making it such that we had to keep letting others out earlier and earlier to make room for the new convicts. That's just what I see here. Things may be different elsewhere. Time will tell how these laws pan out. So far things are looking good.
153 posted on 06/04/2006 2:11:28 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
So what first-hand experiences qualify you as an expert on this subject, other than your ego?

I know a ton of top people in the medical and legal field out this way and they discuss a lot of what is on this thread with me.

By the way the price raises you mentioned earlier could simply have come about to counter the outrageous run away court awards of the last couple of decades.

There has been way too many exorbitant findings for plaintiffs and that as well gets passed on in the cost of medicine and insurance for health care.

Lawsuit reform could handle some of what you mentioned as well.

154 posted on 06/04/2006 3:39:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Just have a doctor write a prescription in any case and you will be OK.

Why bother?

It's going to be cheaper, easier, and only marginally more dangerous on the black market.

155 posted on 06/04/2006 3:39:51 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
Oh yeah, that sounds rational, ingest things of questionable origin with total trust.

Sounds like a great set up or a potential Darwin award to me.

156 posted on 06/04/2006 3:46:54 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Oh yeah, that sounds rational, ingest things of questionable origin with total trust.

Sounds like a great set up or a potential Darwin award to me.

I was just today in a place that is a 10-minute walk accessible to anybody, where they sell these former over-the-counter "drugs" made by the same manufacturers, in the same packaging, only much cheaper.

And, the proprietors of the shops that sell them don't want to see anything but currency when you buy them.

Create a black or grey market, create criminals.

Just the ticket for you law-and-order types.

157 posted on 06/04/2006 4:24:38 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

We have Mexicans doing that illegally in swapmeets and that is both illegal and their drugs are messed up.

As I said, Darwin award time.


158 posted on 06/04/2006 4:27:12 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: John Jorsett

LOL! As if this stop those who make illegal drugs from them.


159 posted on 06/04/2006 4:27:19 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: A CA Guy
Hey, if you want to stand in line and present your life history to buy cold medication, help yourself.

Just don't involve the rest of us in that fetish.

160 posted on 06/04/2006 4:30:25 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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