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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: NicknamedBob

"...You do realize I've had to deal with aeronautical design, orbital mechanics, mathematics, languages, and who knows what else in order to maintain the fiction of my infallibility, don't you?

Oh, don't forget clothing design..."

*koff-koff*

Er, Bobby, this is what you chose to do. Your fictional infallibility is directly related to your physical ability to maintain that infallibility....

And besides....we like you, we have agreed to your designs of our world, and we appreciate your input. The UT would have no real life without you and your infallibility...

;o]


2,541 posted on 08/12/2005 6:42:56 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tuliptree76

"Oh, the memories..."


Mem’ries,
Like the corners of my mind
Misty water-colored memories...


2,542 posted on 08/12/2005 6:45:11 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: tuliptree76; Monkey Face
'...expert at embroidering PV on my uniforms..."

Well, there, see! That was certainly something that gave me trouble.

My poor thumb was sore for weeks from all the needle-pricks, (and no, Darksheare, I'm not on the trail of some trolls...)

2,543 posted on 08/12/2005 6:46:13 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob
Thank you. I was rather proud that I could come up with it in my current state.
2,544 posted on 08/12/2005 6:46:33 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: NicknamedBob

As if Darks would know...;o]


2,545 posted on 08/12/2005 6:47:17 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Army Air Corps

:-)


2,546 posted on 08/12/2005 6:47:53 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

And your current state would be Michigan, yes?


2,547 posted on 08/12/2005 6:48:28 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

Well, I was just in AZ last October. Simply LOVED Show Low, but the place would be swamped if we all came to town. The Grand Canyon was breathtaking but, again, there's no way we'd all be able to get lodging. So, perhaps an air-conditioned resort in Scottsdale would better suit us, maybe more than one. If there's enough interest, we could even pack out the D-Back's home dome with our cumulative presence and have a big Friday night through Sunday afternoon event with special speakers, radio personalities broadcasting their shows live from the venue, notable Conservative officials checking in (if not actually ON the speakers' ticket).

With the membership numbers on this website, we oughta at least be able to top the biggest MLM convention ever held, and do it without the obligatory blue suit and red tie.


2,548 posted on 08/12/2005 6:51:37 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT this sweLl tagline oN eBay qith changE I fond in meye soFa. It's a "fixer.")
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To: NicknamedBob; Army Air Corps; Monkey Face

I have to go for a bit, but I'll be back ASAP.


2,549 posted on 08/12/2005 6:53:21 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: HKMk23

If the FReepers want to come to AZ, we can arrange that. We just need TIME! LOL! We actually have some nice mountains around Tucson: Sabino Canyon, Madera Canyon, Sierra Vista, etc...and LOTS of "overflow area"...;o]


2,550 posted on 08/12/2005 6:55:32 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tuliptree76

I'll be here. I thimk. ;o]


2,551 posted on 08/12/2005 6:56:08 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: HKMk23; Monkey Face; tuliptree76; Dead Corpse; Army Air Corps

Why, we could put on ...

... a show!


"The Grateful Undead Road Tour" ...


2,552 posted on 08/12/2005 6:56:09 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Monkey Face
Ja! The home of the most liberal city in the US, Detroit.

I remember it before it was a hell hole. Now, well I have seen cities hit by 8.2 earthquakes that looked better.

:sadly begins singing "Hello Detroit" Sammy Davis Jr she ain't:

2,553 posted on 08/12/2005 6:56:15 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: NicknamedBob

I wanna be the bass player...


2,554 posted on 08/12/2005 6:57:11 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: HKMk23; tuliptree76; Dead Corpse; Army Air Corps

I'll provide the crowd... :o])


2,555 posted on 08/12/2005 7:00:21 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face; HKMk23; tuliptree76; Dead Corpse; Army Air Corps

I can be the bouncer.

The crowd will disperse with alacrity as soon as I start reading my poems...


2,556 posted on 08/12/2005 7:02:58 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Are these poems read in coffee bars with bongos playing in the background and people snap their fingers in approval. Are you wearing a black beret, a goatee, and sunglasses in these venues?


2,557 posted on 08/12/2005 7:08:10 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NicknamedBob

Not so, o bard...

Most likely, they will throw roses at your feet and beg for more...


2,558 posted on 08/12/2005 7:08:51 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: NicknamedBob
The crowd will disperse with alacrity as soon as I start reading my poems...

Great! I'll ring up an old acquaintance of mine; the retired Vogon Constructor Fleet Commander, Prostetnic Jeltz -- he's a raving poetry afficionado, you know. The two of you could have a poetry competition and we could broadcast it outside the perimeter of the venue as a substitute for armed security.

2,559 posted on 08/12/2005 7:11:01 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT this sweLl tagline oN eBay qith changE I fond in meye soFa. It's a "fixer.")
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To: Army Air Corps; Harmless Teddy Bear; tuliptree76; Monkey Face
"...poems read in coffee bars with bongos playing in the background and people snap their fingers in approval..."


Ahh! Tokin’!

I get high on Oxygen, and pheromones in bloom,
The heady scent of woman-flesh, augmented by perfume.
The smell of Autumn’s burning leaves, and woodsmoke in the air,
And in the Summer, fresh-cut grass, and flowers everywhere.

I like to hear a baby’s laugh, and whispered words of mirth,
And children’s voices raised in song, the sweetest sound on Earth!
To hear a church-bell ringing or the wailing of a train,
Appeals more to me than the roaring of a plane.

The firmness of a handshake, and ready hand to lend,
More rewarding than a treasure is the comfort of a friend.
The touch of loving gentleness, and hands held at the park,
The feel of someone close to you, grown closer after dark.

The sight of seeing friends where you expect them not to be,
And looking at a sunset, or a stately arching tree.
Seeing iridescent beauty in an oily puddle’s sheen,
Just takes an eye beholding joy that others call unclean.

The taste of buttered popcorn at the movies for a treat,
Or eating Christmas cookies that can never be too sweet,
The turkey baked with care for almost all the blessed day,
Life has a flavor all its own that no one ever takes away.

My senses fill with wonderment at all that is around,
While people that I see all keep their eyes upon the ground.
My attitude is like someone who’s walking ‘round in love,
For I love all the blessings that descend from up above.


NicknamedBob . . . . . . . . . . . . December 11, 2004

2,560 posted on 08/12/2005 7:21:44 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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