Posted on 06/21/2005 6:18:12 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
Senator Dick DUrbin has caught a lot of flack for his silly comparison of the well fed Gitmo terrorist detainees to the prisoners of the Nazis and the Soviets. The general consensus is that it is ALWAYS foolhardy to make comparisons of today’s America to the Nazi regime. Well, let me amend that to saying this is the general consensus everywhere EXCEPT in that asylum known as DUmmieland. In fact, the DUmmies seem to act like they have a proprietary interest in keeping the ability to make such absurd comparisons as can be seen in this THREAD titled, “Don't let them take the Hitler away from us!” It sounds like the DUmmies want copyright protection for using the Hitler comparisons. As usual the bizarre DUmmie comparisons are in Bolshevik Red while the commentary of your humble correspondent, assuring the DUmmies that they can keep “the Hitler,” is in the [brackets]:
Don't let them take the Hitler away from us!
[Okay! Okay! And you can keep the Stalin and the Pol Pot if it makes you feel better.]
Think about it this way. I say ALL Hitler comparisons are valid. Hitler is the quintessential example that is seared into our memories of the insane corrupt power of totalitarianism. It represents the ultimate evil - deception of good intentions. Thus Hitler comparisons are an essential comparison. All it says is "let us not get on that hill of ice again".
[FUnnie but the one who fell down the slippery slope was Dick DUrbin for his dopey comparison of the air conditioned Gitmo detainees to the prisoners of the Nazis.]
If, as has been suggested on The Daily Show and Lou Dobbs, Hitler comparisons are out of order, then it disables the most powerful and obvious comparison.
[I’m all for DUrbin and DUmmies continuing to make fools of themselves.]
The victims of the Holocaust and those who fought totalitarian power have earned the right to reference Hilterm a right that is being lost because it has been distorted by the retort that nothing could be as bad as Hitler - "it's not as bad as the Holocaust". Well, the fact that is shrouded is that it was a slow but steady march into fascism. Hitler wasn't as bad as Hitler when he started. We as their progeny have inherited the DUTY of making comparisons to Hilter where ever we see them.
[Ah yes! Before the Bad Hitler there was the Better Hitler according to the DUmmies which they use to justify DUrbinizing themselves.]
As soon as they take away our abaility to associate with that memory, it enables them to repeat it.
[Perhaps you should copyright “the Hitler” and charge royalty payments from all those who make Dopey DUrbin type comparisons.]
So, no, I say this frog will remain ready to jump if the temperature increases only slightly. We need to respect the slope before we start the slipping.
[I say that frog needs to respect the temperature of the pot he is stewing in.]
Our situation now is comparable in many ways to Germany in the mid to late 30's. We need to recognize our situation for what it is, and prevent it from getting worse.
[Is that you, Dick DUrbin?]
I agree. Hitler should remind us that it can happen ANYWHERE. Germany was a nation which ELECTED its public servants, It was an EDUCATED nation, A WORLD LEADER in SCIENCE and INDUSTRY...And look what happened there. All it takes is some fear-mongering, a crappy economy, and a "leader" without a consciense. Oh yeah, and FLAGS. Lots of flags!
[Oh, yeah and FLAGS. I shudder in fear of the impending fascism every time I drive past a car lot.]
The Hitler stuff is not only valid but its true. The USA is occupied by the Nazis..you can callem busheviks ,BFEE,neo-cons, traitors BUT its a nazi occupation and all the insiders like Dobbs know it.!!
[It sounds like your body is occupied by the meds.]
It's the old duck thing. If it waddles like a duck and it quacks like a duck...etc. Loyality oaths. Fascism wrapped snugly in the flag. Snipping away our rights. Forcing their morality down our throat. If there is just a sliver of justification for comparison, then we ought to do just what we are doing, speaking up. We're stopping evil before it gets to the point that it did back then.
[And in your case it is the old Daffy Duck thing.]
I believe he is as bad a president as we have ever had, and I believe his contempt for working Americans (including our military folk) is both infinitely malicious and probably without precedent. But a more historically apt analogy is to some of our own (incipiently fascist) political bosses -- especially those who, in servitude to the ever-expanding greed of monopolist overlords, played off one minority against another in the interest of maximizing oppression and exploitation (just as Bush plays off Dominionist/Fundamentalist Christians against women and gays). And fascism does not inevitably a Hitler make. Think not Hitler but George Wallace, Bull Connor or even Robert K. Shelton -- the third name that of the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan during the Civil Rights Movement years, the aptness of the comparison growing from the fact Bush and his followers are surely as hateful to gays as Shelton and his night-riders were to blacks.
[Don’t let them take the Shelton away from us!]
Any "good" contract is written with enough escape clauses and in enough length that any point can be argued for/against in court as well as discouraging close examination.
That wasn't Harvey Korman. That was Dick Shawn who as the character of LSD sang the absolutely FUNNIEST song in film history: "Love Power."
Zero Mostel owns the role, though.
"It represents the ultimate evil - deception of good intentions."
Since when were Hitler's intentions ever good? He opined from the start, in his MEIN KAMPF, how he hated Jews and other groups. He knew what he wanted to do -- and, the minute he stepped into office, set out to do it.
Whatever mistakes Bush might have made, they were not grounded in evil. Whoever wrote the above must be one of those who are running around screaming 9/11 was a Bush conspiracy.
It's these kind of people who are evil. They are dangerously misleading people with paranoia. I may want to laugh at the DU, but it would be a mournful joke.
I'm waiting for the Broadway version of the new movie to come out. ;-)
SD
"All it takes is some fear-mongering, a crappy economy, and a "leader" without a consciense. Oh yeah, and FLAGS. Lots of flags!"
Does anyone have that picture of Gore giving a speech in front of about 1,000 flags from the 2000 election? I can't seem to find it.
Beg your pardon, but Harvey Korman wasn't in the original. It was Dick Shawn.
Oops, sorry, someone already corrected!
.....hmmmmm, just like the trip to Cambodia was seeeeeeeeeearrd into the memory of JFsKerry??? Riiiiiight!
If I hadn't decided to give up all Hitler comparisons as hysterical and goofy, I would now make a crack about members of a national socialist organization like DU begging to keep Hitler. But fortunately for them DUmmies, I'm much too mature for that.
Think about it this way. I say ALL Hitler comparisons are valid.
Hitler gave out a lot of orange-glazed chicken.
Hitler is the quintessential example that is seared into our memories of the insane corrupt power of totalitarianism. It represents the ultimate evil - deception of good intentions. Thus Hitler comparisons are an essential comparison. All it says is "let us not get on that hill of ice again".
So, we need to "keep Hitler" so we can compare the humane efforts of United States Marines to the demonic efforts of the SS? Wow, nope, no extremism over at DU, they're the real American mainstream, dontcha know?
If, as has been suggested on The Daily Show and Lou Dobbs, Hitler comparisons are out of order, then it disables the most powerful and obvious comparison.
Truly, you are wise, it is obvious that feeding a man orange-glazed chicken and being respectfully silent as he prays is the same as gassing his children and then simultaneously straving him and working him to death. But all hope is not lost...we can make other "powerful and obvious" comparisons. For example, since I disagree with virtually every post on DU, I could say, "Every time a DUer hits the post button, it's as if Godzilla rampaged through one of our major cities and left thousands of dead in his wake." But since I have a working brain, I am able to tell the difference between frakazoid hysteria and an apt analogy.
The victims of the Holocaust and those who fought totalitarian power have earned the right to reference Hilterm
Well, since you aren't in any of those groups (and neither is Dick DUrbin) you can shut your piehole now.
a right that is being lost because it has been distorted by the retort that nothing could be as bad as Hitler -
Nice straw man there. Nobody has said that nothing is as bad as Hitler, they've said that comparing Gitmo to Hitler is like grabbing an apple and saying, "This here chihuahua is every bit as dangerous as a large pack of rabid Rottweilers."
Well, the fact that is shrouded is that it was a slow but steady march into fascism.
Um...no, actually it was pretty sudden, but then if you were properly educated in history, you would not be a Socialist.
Hitler wasn't as bad as Hitler when he started.
Yeah, when you get to the part where Hitler ran on tax cuts or the part where Dubya said we should elect him because he'd avenge the Versaille Treaty, you go ahead and let me know, OK?
As soon as they take away our abaility to associate with that memory, it enables them to repeat it.
And yet, when a Florida court cleared the way for a useless eater to be starved to death, you guys thought it was not only right, but hilariously funny.
So, no, I say this frog will remain ready to jump if the temperature increases only slightly.
Yeah, you all think you're living in the 43rd Reich, and that the Hitler figure stole three straight elections, but you haven't hit the streets. If this guy were everything you claim he is, he could put your neighbors in cattlecars and you'd be too busy performing vital bong maintenance to do anything about it. Either that, or you'd head for Canada and immediately apply for welfare.
We need to respect the slope before we start the slipping.
If you had respected the sanity slope you could have gotten some help a long time ago and still be sane.
Our situation now is comparable in many ways to Germany in the mid to late 30's. We need to recognize our situation for what it is, and prevent it from getting worse.
Which is why you're in prison for being a member of DU.
I agree. Hitler should remind us that it can happen ANYWHERE.
And that means it's happening here when some terrorist has to listen to Christina Aguilera. Brilliant logic.
Germany was a nation which ELECTED its public servants,
But Hitler was appointed Chancellor by the outgoing chancellor, and you guys say Dubya wasn't elected, so your analogy is already breaking down!
It was an EDUCATED nation,
See, that's one of the reasons I swore off Hitler comparisons: I would be implying that DUers are educated.
A WORLD LEADER in SCIENCE and INDUSTRY...
Wow, the fact that we and the Germans could both build cool stuff proves beyond doubt that the Fourth Reich has come to America! Please, go on...and don't worry about all those pesky analogies between Nazi Germany's weapons programs and Iraq...nothing to see there...
All it takes is some fear-mongering, a crappy economy, and a "leader" without a consciense.
The last DUFU thread dealt with DUmmies living in 2004. This one deals with DUmmies living in October of '01. If Bush were a tenth as bad as these people think he is, a tenth, he would have declared a state of emergency within a month of 9/11 and been President for Life.
Oh yeah, and FLAGS. Lots of flags!
Thanks for showing us your true colors, Dummie dicksteele (probably the least descriptive DUmmie moniker out there.) And the best part is that you use a picture of Albert Einstein as your avatar. Somehow, I don't think he saw Old Glory as a sign of the Holocaust on the march. And yet you do. Isn't that special?
The Hitler stuff is not only valid but its true. The USA is occupied by the Nazis..you can callem busheviks ,BFEE,neo-cons, traitors BUT its a nazi occupation and all the insiders like Dobbs know it.!!
Oh darn it, what fools the BFEE are to let you people post these truths instead of sending you to prison! So, why haven't you picked up a rifle and fought to liberate your country, O patriotic one? Too much bong time? Or perhaps you write this crap just as your lithium dose is wearing off and when you take the next one you realize you live in a free nation? Or is it just that you're a coward?
It's the old duck thing. If it waddles like a duck and it quacks like a duck...etc.
In this case, the Bush Administration looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, and you guys have declared it to be...a rabid 300lb Rottweiler who eats Jews.
Loyality oaths.
Translation: "I have nearly total freedom of expression and can support any candidate or cause I wish, but darn it, if I can't disrupt Dubya's campaign events our country is just like Nazi Germany!!" Also, a note for the DUmmie: Loyalty oaths are what citizens do, just ask anyone who has become a naturalized citizen A loyalty oath is only fascist if the state you're pledging loyalty to is fascist, and you sure aren't making that case.
Fascism wrapped snugly in the flag.
Actually, we never wrap the orange-glazed chicken in the flag, it tends to stain the white stripes.
Snipping away our rights.
Yes, so sad that you can't say what you think anymore, especially on online forums that exist to allow people to express hatred for the Administration. So sad that BushCo shut down the Internet.
Forcing their morality down our throat.
Um...when did that happen? Last time I checked, you guys were the ones using the courts to implement moral visions. When it comes to referenda, you guys couldn't even convince people in freakin Oregon to allow gay marriage, and that's hardly the fault of the VRWC.
If there is just a sliver of justification for comparison, then we ought to do just what we are doing, speaking up.
If there's a sliver of justification in comparing you to Michael Jackson, can I call you a child molesting weirdo? That'll be OK, right?
We're stopping evil before it gets to the point that it did back then.
Yes, sadly I remember how Hitler allowed protesters to say exactly what they thought as many times as they wanted. I remember how he allowed them to set up bleachers along his Inaugural route, and how the Brownshirts used to go around to all the Jewish shops with plates of orange-glazed chicken and rice pilaf.
I believe he is as bad a president as we have ever had, and I believe his contempt for working Americans (including our military folk) is both infinitely malicious and probably without precedent.
DU: Sure, we call our troops Nazis, but we really support them, unlike that scum Dubya who only visits them in the hospital and calls them brave and stuff. Where's my doobage? I feel reality setting in and it scares me.
But a more historically apt analogy is to some of our own (incipiently fascist) political bosses -- especially those who, in servitude to the ever-expanding greed of monopolist overlords, played off one minority against another in the interest of maximizing oppression and exploitation (just as Bush plays off Dominionist/Fundamentalist Christians against women and gays).
Yet another dip still thinking that the big bad gay-hating Christians are the reason Dubya won. Here's a tip: he won because the people knew they could trust him, and the guy you put up was a weenie.
And fascism does not inevitably a Hitler make. Think not Hitler but George Wallace, Bull Connor or even Robert K. Shelton -- the third name that of the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan during the Civil Rights Movement years, the aptness of the comparison growing from the fact Bush and his followers are surely as hateful to gays as Shelton and his night-riders were to blacks.
Yes, all those lynchings...I mean, I haven't heard about any gays getting lynched, but I'm sure it has been happening because the folks at DU are always so astute in their historical analogies. Still, I will give this DUmmie this much: At the beginning of his post he talks about how "Hitler wasn't as bad as Hitler at the beginning" is crap, because Hitler laid it all out in Mein Kampf and the Germans knew what they were getting. But after he tries to be reasonable, he gets an earful about PNAC conspiracies.
Silly DUmmies
Yeah, I'm sure the DUmmie who posted that meant the good intentions of German voters...but the problem is that those who voted for Hitler (about 30%) knew exactly what they were voting for, because he had laid it out clearly in Mein Kampf. So their intention was to elect a chancellor who would persecute Jews and invade other countries.
That reminds me, of a thread in DUmmieland yesterday (Monday).
Someone referred to "Lord Chamberland," in reference to the dealings of Tony Blair in "appeasing" George Bush.
Isn't there one of those big yellow-and-black paperback books, "History for DUmmies" somewhere?
Neville Chamberlain was a commoner. Later he became a "sir," but that has nothing to do with nobility, and surely is way way way below a "lord" in the English peerage.
Bah, humbug.
Hi! Speaking of how DUmb they can get, how's the Scamdy thingy going today?
Scamdy is fine, for right now, according to its owners.
FBI report sent in names of signers yesterday, as announced on Scamdy.
I'm sure they were referring to that fine political figure Wilt Chamberlain.
This just gets more fun all the time. Is the little round one still starving to death or did he get well funded for his food-fund? What a scam artist he is! He is sorta Hitler-like IMO! His little sycophants follow and give blindly!
Who knows, or perhaps the DUmmies were confusing Neville Chamberlain with Sir Neville Henderson, the appeasement-minded British ambassador to Berlin until September 3, 1939?
Wilt Chamberlain, Neville Chamberlain, Neville Henderson.
Now, surely based upon that, the DUmmies can make some sort of "connection" between the three.
Have you ever seen Ambrose's "New History of World War II"?
There is a disgusting picture of a smiling Chamberlain shaking hands with a smiling hitler from 1938. Despicable.
I've read so many histories of the second world war, I feel as if I were actually there, even though it was l-o-n-g before my own time.
This isn't a "resource" commonly and conveniently available to others, but reading the second world war through "Time" and "Life" magazines of circa 1937-1945 is very illuminating, in addition that one catches an occasional news-photograph of the most delightful woman of the 20th century, Clare Booth Luce (1903-1987).
Unlike the DUmmies, Chamberlain had the grace to admit he'd been wrong about appeasement. When Hitler kept rolling into Poland, chamberlain fessed up. When Saddam's mass graves and terror training camps were proven, the DUmmies simply keopt on screeching.
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