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1 posted on 02/22/2005 4:17:53 AM PST by strategofr
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I believe is a far cry from "I have the facts, the proof".


2 posted on 02/22/2005 4:26:08 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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4 posted on 02/22/2005 4:28:17 AM PST by Petronski (Zebras: Free Range Bar Codes of the Serengeti)
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I BELIEVE John Kerry will be inaugurated in oh I don't lets say July.
7 posted on 02/22/2005 4:34:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (The crippled stool is the cadillac of poopin stools.)
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While I believe Putin is a troublesome opportunist, this goes too far in slandering him. Simple explanations are often more correct then elaborate conspiracy theories. Please don't portray him as the evil Dr No, super villain. While he is often a pain in American's back side and I am no fan of his, I don't buy the evil genius idea.
8 posted on 02/22/2005 4:48:54 AM PST by dog breath
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Ping the RKBA list,we have some paving to do here.
16 posted on 02/22/2005 2:17:59 PM PST by nopardons
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18 posted on 02/22/2005 2:26:24 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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20 posted on 02/22/2005 2:27:03 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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Chitty Chitty...

BANG BANG!
21 posted on 02/22/2005 2:27:50 PM PST by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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22 posted on 02/22/2005 2:29:57 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Apparently, this is the only job for which I am suited. I am beset by the ironies of my life)
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This is the original strategy page post that stimulated sentinnel28a's response and my reply. Excuse the slight repetition, but the main thing here is the emphasis on the Egyptian who was arrested by the Russians and apparently ended up a Russian mole in al Queada. I think it's fishy and evidence supporting my thesis. What do you folks think?


evidence that Russian gift controls Cherlyn rebels, maybe a Queda too 2/12/2005 2:08:08 PM

A recent article of the Jamestown Foundation is of great interest. Below is the web address and I have also quoted some paragraphs, though the whole article is well worth reading.

I would have to say, however, that the Jamestown Foundation is coming at the main story sideways here. Of course, any astute observer realizes, as the Jamestown Foundation points out, that the Russians run the Chechen terror operation. What terrorist group goes out of their way to make it special point to target schoolchildren? (I have to admit that I'm not sure of Hamma's record in this regard. They obviously are happy to kill any Jews in Israel, but I don't think schoolkids are a special focus. The Cheyennes have had a relatively small # of major, headline grabbing terror operations and they choose a school for one of the targets. It is obvious nonsense. Don't forget, the men who run Russia today used to run the KGB.)

But this is beside the main point illustrated by the article, it seems to me. One implication of the article is that the Russians captured Zawahiri and "turned him." That is to say, made him into an agent of theirs, inside al Quaeda. If al Queda really was independent of Russia, and Zawhiri was functioning as a Russian agent, and it was this obvious, wouldn't al Queda kill him?

I have a much more plausible explanation for the facts cited in the article. Al Queda is controlled by the Russian KGB (which, though formally replaced by the FSB (international, ala CIA) and SVB (national ala FBI) is still operational as an "informal grouping," both running Russia and running the most sensitive of their old agents.) Zawhiri was picked up, not to "turn him," but to communicate with him on an extended basis, so he could transfer his detailed understanding of the KGB world strategy, as understood at that time, to the rest of the al Queda leadership. The reason for such indirect communications is security. If Russia does run al Queda, communications must be extremely covert. In fact, the number of contacts would have to be limited to make sure the US did not find the links. But control requires some links. This method, arresting someone, is a classic method of covert communication.

http://jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=400&issue_id=2899&article_id=23472

A RUSSIAN AGENT AT THE RIGHT HAND OF BIN LADEN?
By Evgenii Novikov

Dr. Novikov is a senior fellow at the Jamestown Foundation.


"The Arabic television channel Al Jazeera broadcast an audiotape on December 19, 2003, that was said to be from Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the right hand man of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. In it, Zawahiri claimed that his group was chasing Americans everywhere, including in the United States. This claim helped raise the terror threat level.

But where is Zawahiri, whose head now carries a price of US$25 million? Recent media reports have said that he is hiding in Iran, though Iranian authorities deny this. Yet it could be that Russian intelligence knows exactly where he is and may even have regular contact with the elusive Egyptian.

There are many accounts of Ayman al-Zawahiri published in the press. These stories cover Zawahiri's childhood and his relatives, his study of medicine, his connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, his involvement in the assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, his close relations with Osama bin Laden, and his role in major terrorist attacks against the United States. But there are few authors who mention that Zawahiri spent half a year in close contact with representatives of Russian intelligence while in their custody.

Significantly, these contacts led to a change in Zawahiri's political orientation. Long talks with Russian intelligence officers 'forced a critical change in his lethal planning. ...America, not Egypt, became the target... Freed from Russian jail in May 1997, Dr. Zawahri found refuge in Afghanistan, yoking his fortunes to Mr. bin Laden. [Zawahiri's group] Egyptian Jihad, previously devoted to the narrow purpose of toppling secular rule in Egypt, became instead the biggest component of al Qaeda and a major agent of a global war against America. Dr. Zawahri became Mr. bin Laden's closest confidant and talent scout.' [1]"



"...It is notable that Taliban and al Qaeda militants in Afghanistan received regular re-supplies of Russian arms. The man responsible for these deliveries was Victor Anatolievich Bout, the son of a top KGB officer. His father's connections helped establish Bout in the arms trade, which is linked to the Russian government and particularly to its intelligence services. Bout and his family currently reside in the United Arab Emirates. [3]

It is also not difficult to imagine that the Russians managed to get some information from Zawahiri about his colleagues that could have been used to blackmail him if he tried to avoid cooperation after his release. With an agreement reached between Zawahiri and the Russians, the authorities would have taken steps to make the Egyptian look "clean" to his Arab comrades and the Chechens. It would not have been difficult for them to stage Zawahiri's trial, at which the judge gave him only a six months' sentence, much of which he had already served.

A final note: Arabs are still very active among the Chechen militants today, and yet the Russians appear to turn a blind eye toward their infiltration and do not hunt them particularly. Even the most influential among the Arabs, Khattab, may well have been killed by his own people. Arabs have also never been listed as POWs. Perhaps the Russian forces have an order to kill Arabs on the spot: Nobody wants them to reveal unwanted information during interrogations. Thus left alone, the Arabs exercise significant influence over the activities of Chechen commanders according to orders from Zawahiri. Presumably they do so without understanding that they could well be the Trojan horses who actually execute the Kremlin's orders. For example, the Arabs apparently do not encourage Chechen militants to direct any attacks against Russian leaders in Moscow. This could be accomplished simply by refusing to pay for such operations.

In contrast, the Arabs do seem to encourage the taking of hostages from among the common people, as in the Moscow youth club Nord-Ost incident, thus making it easier for the Kremlin to stoke public anger against "Chechen terrorists." This in turn helps Vladimir Putin garner popular support for his own authoritarian actions as well as those of his former KGB colleagues who now occupy 65 percent of top governmental positions. Dr. Zawahiri may thus be the queen in the Kremlin's chess game not only in Chechnya, but also in Russia's power struggle at the highest levels. If so, it is not likely that the Russians would surrender him merely to help win the global war on terror."
25 posted on 02/22/2005 2:33:29 PM PST by strategofr
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30 posted on 02/22/2005 2:45:55 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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Welcome to Free Republic. Only been here a few days and look at you!!! Did the mental hospital test too many drugs on you today?

32 posted on 02/22/2005 2:51:06 PM PST by PilloryHillary (Welcome to America...now speak English)
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It's spelled Beslan, not Belsan, troll... take your spooky KGB conspiracy theories elsewhere...

35 posted on 02/22/2005 2:58:25 PM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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I am posting as a psychic medium and the dead tell me you are full of horse s**t.


39 posted on 02/22/2005 3:02:25 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (When I was young we used to go "skinny dipping," now I just"chunkydunk.")
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41 posted on 02/22/2005 3:06:55 PM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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Dragging an argument over from another website, an incoherent one at that.

"The Farce is weak in this one..."

42 posted on 02/22/2005 3:10:09 PM PST by Godzilla (When you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.)
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48 posted on 02/22/2005 3:28:18 PM PST by dfwright (Optimist: Glass Half full - Pessimist: Glass Half Empty - Engineer: Glass too large.)
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I love when I am in before the zot!


53 posted on 02/22/2005 3:44:10 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (When I was young we used to go "skinny dipping," now I just "chunkydunk.")
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54 posted on 02/22/2005 3:49:59 PM PST by wolicy_ponk
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55 posted on 02/22/2005 4:08:24 PM PST by visualops
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