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1 posted on 12/27/2004 12:02:14 PM PST by expatguy
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Glad to see you are ok. You were the first person I thought of when I heard about tsunami.


2 posted on 12/27/2004 12:03:17 PM PST by bonfire
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To: expatguy

They've been talking about this on Fox News today.


3 posted on 12/27/2004 12:03:46 PM PST by bonfire
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To: expatguy

Does this mean it was Bush's fault or Rummy's?


4 posted on 12/27/2004 12:10:19 PM PST by syriacus (Who wanted Margaret Hassan murdered? What did she know about the oil-for-food scandal?)
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Just clipped from Google's cache:



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TSUNAMI BULLETIN NUMBER 002
PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER/NOAA/NWS
ISSUED AT 0204Z 26 DEC 2004

THIS BULLETIN IS FOR ALL AREAS OF THE PACIFIC BASIN EXCEPT
ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.

.................. TSUNAMI INFORMATION BULLETIN ..................

ATTENTION: NOTE REVISED MAGNITUDE.

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY. THERE IS NO TSUNAMI WARNING
OR WATCH IN EFFECT.

AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS

ORIGIN TIME - 0059Z 26 DEC 2004
COORDINATES - 3.4 NORTH 95.7 EAST
LOCATION - OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATERA
MAGNITUDE - 8.5

EVALUATION
REVISED MAGNITUDE BASED ON ANALYSIS OF MANTLE WAVES.
THIS EARTHQUAKE IS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE PACIFIC. NO DESTRUCTIVE
TSUNAMI THREAT EXISTS FOR THE PACIFIC BASIN BASED ON HISTORICAL
EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI DATA.

THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF A TSUNAMI NEAR THE EPICENTER.

THIS WILL BE THE ONLY BULLETIN ISSUED FOR THIS EVENT UNLESS
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE.

THE WEST COAST/ALASKA TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER WILL ISSUE BULLETINS
FOR ALASKA - BRITISH COLUMBIA - WASHINGTON - OREGON - CALIFORNIA.


7 posted on 12/27/2004 12:15:07 PM PST by solitas
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I think that the notion that a tsunami warning could be adequately conveyed to everyone on every beach that could possibly be affected is a pipe dream.

There are major earthquakes all the time that do no generate such waves, so even if someone in Los Angeles thinks that a tsunami might be created, the chances of anyone in Somalia hearing about it or caring if they did is negligible.

8 posted on 12/27/2004 12:15:10 PM PST by Dog Gone
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http://ioc.unesco.org/itsu/contents.php?id=120

Recommendation ITSU-XIX.4: Working Group on the Tsunami Warning System in the Southwest Pacific and Indian Ocean
Writer: Tammy Kaitoku Updated: 15.10.04 Created: 21.09.04 Hits: 394
Recommendation ITSU-XIX.4: Working Group on the Tsunami Warning System in the Southwest Pacific and Indian Ocean [endoresed by the IOC Executive Council at its 37th Session in June 2004]
Recommendation ITSU-XIX.4
 
WORKING GROUP ON THE TSUNAMI WARNING SYSTEM IN THE SOUTHWEST PACIFIC AND INDIAN OCEAN
 
The International Co-ordination Group for the Tsunami Warning System in the Pacific,
 
Recognizing that the Southwest Pacific and Indian Ocean has a significant threat from both local and distant tsunamis;
 
Further recognizing that some areas of this region are not covered by the PTWC;
 
Noting the interest of Member States in the Indian Ocean and Southwest Pacific regions to enhance their tsunami warning services;
 
Acknowledges that Indonesia has decided to develop its National Tsunami Warning System with already existing and planned upgrades to seismic and sea-level networks and that the PTWC provides distant tsunami warnings for the Southwest Pacific;
 
Further acknowledging that there may be mutual benefits to these regions and to the Tsunami Warning System in the Pacific from the establishment of this system;
 
Decides to establish an intersessional Working Group on the Southwest Pacific and Indian Ocean with the following Terms of Reference:
 
-                      to evaluate capabilities of countries in these regions for providing tsunami warning services;
-                      to ascertain requirements from countries in the Southwest Pacific and Indian Ocean for the tsunami warning services.
 
Requests Australia and ITIC to prepare a draft prior to the next SOPAC meeting for consideration by the Working Group.
 
Recommends that the Group be composed of representatives from Indonesia, Australia, Fiji, New Zealand, Japan, Observer from Papua New Guinea and the Directors of ITIC and PTWC and Chaired by the Representative of Indonesia.
 
Acknowledges that ITSU is the Co-ordination Body for the Tsunami Warning System in the Pacific (TWSP) and encourages non-ITSU Member States to contact the IOC Secretariat to request membership of the ICG/ITSU.
____________________
Financial implications:
 
US$ 5,000 for 2004; US$ 5,000 for 2005.
 


20 posted on 12/27/2004 12:40:28 PM PST by syriacus (Who wanted Margaret Hassan murdered? What did she know about the oil-for-food scandal?)
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Maybe they took the word phuket wrong.......(sorry)


22 posted on 12/27/2004 12:43:25 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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How common are these things? I learned about them as a kid, and maybe saw something on a PBS special since then, but haven't heard or seen the word used in years. If I remembered the word, I'd probably have associated it with science fiction, rather than with a real danger.

It seems like it would take a certain about of explaining to make clear to the public just what the danger was. Is this a case of scientists not quite being on the same wavelength as the public?

34 posted on 12/27/2004 4:26:15 PM PST by x
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/27/science/27science.html

With No Alert System, Indian Ocean Nations Were Vulnerable
By ANDREW C. REVKIN

Published: December 27, 2004

The earthquake that struck northwest of Sumatra, Indonesia, at dawn yesterday was a perfect wave-making machine, and the lack of a tsunami warning system in the Indian Ocean essentially guaranteed the devastation that swept coastal communities around southern Asia, experts said.

Although waves swamped parts of the Sumatran coast and nearby islands within minutes, there would have been time to alert more distant communities if the Indian Ocean had a warning network like that in the Pacific, said Dr. Tad Murty, an expert on the region's tsunamis who is affiliated with the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg.

Within 15 minutes of the earthquake, in fact, scientists running the existing tsunami warning system for the Pacific, where such waves are far more common, sent an alert from their Honolulu hub to 26 participating countries, including Thailand and Indonesia, that destructive waves might be generated by the Sumatra tremors.

But there was no way to convey that information speedily to countries or communities an ocean away, said Dr. Laura S. L. Kong, a Commerce Department seismologist and director of the International Tsunami Information Center, an office run under the auspices of the United Nations.

Phone calls were hurriedly made to countries in the Indian Ocean danger zone, she said, but not with the speed that comes from pre-established emergency planning.

"Outside the Pacific these things don't occur very often at all so the challenge is how to make people and government officials aware," she said.

Tsunamis, sometimes referred to as tidal waves but having nothing to do with tidal forces, are generated when an earthquake, eruption or landslide abruptly moves the seabed, jolting the waters above.

Resulting waves can cross thousands of miles of deep ocean at near jetliner speeds as near-invisible disturbances before welling up in shallower coastal waters to heights of 30 feet or more.

But even at such speeds, prompt warnings can provide ample time to evacuate people, Dr. Murty and other experts said. The Pacific network of stations gauging wave and earthquake activity is able to alert potential targets within minutes.

Tsunamis have swept the Indian Ocean, as well, oceanographers said yesterday, noting one that killed several hundred people near Bombay in 1945 and another - one of the earliest tsunamis recorded in the region - that ravaged what is now Bangladesh and other parts of the Bay of Bengal in 1762.

With population densities enormously high in many parts of coastal southern Asia, the region should have started setting up such a network long ago, said Dr. Murty, who is originally from India.

Other scientists have voiced similar concerns. At a meeting in June of the Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission, a United Nations body, experts concluded that the "Indian Ocean has a significant threat from both local and distant tsunamis" and should have a warning network.

But Dr. Murty said India, Thailand, Malaysia and other countries in the region "see this as a Pacific problem."

"I have a feeling that after this tragedy that may change," he said.

The earthquake near Sumatra was the fifth most potent in the world in the last 100 years and the worst in 40 years, registering a magnitude of 9.0. It was followed by more than a dozen aftershocks, but none of those were expected to produce dangerous waves, federal geologists said.

The quake occurred at one of the many seams in the ever-shifting crust of the earth where one plate slips beneath another in an incessant, but spasmodic process. In this case, the quake was set off by an abrupt slippage along 700 miles of the seam where the plate beneath the Indian ocean slides under the Indonesian archipelago.

This caused a vast stretch of seabed to shift about 50 feet, said geologists at the National Earthquake Information Center in Golden, Colo.

The biggest danger from earthquakes on land tends to come when the earth heaves horizontally, as is the case along the San Andreas fault in California. But faults where earthquakes tend to cause abrupt vertical motion, like the ones along western Indonesia, pose the biggest risk of generating tsunamis because they can act like a giant piston, deforming the sea. In such submarine earthquakes, gravity and the incompressibility of water force the seas above to react immediately to the change thousands of feet below.

"You're taking hundreds of miles of ocean bottom and moving it dozens of feet," said David Wald, a seismologist at the center. "That displaces a huge amount of water. The water at the surface starts to shift downhill and that makes a tsunami."

Most research on such waves and efforts to create warning systems have focused on the Pacific, where the Ring of Fire, a great arcing seam of volcanic and tectonic activity, causes a significant tsunami about once a decade.

One of the first efforts to alert communities to impending tsunamis came in Hawaii in the 1920's, said Dr. George D. Curtis, a tsunami expert affiliated with the University of Hawaii at Hilo.

A geologist at Hawaii's volcano observatory, upon detecting telltale tremors, would call local harbor officials and tell them to have boats moved to safety, Dr. Curtis said. Efforts greatly intensified in 1946, after a powerful earthquake in the Aleutian island chain of Alaska unexpectedly sent waves smashing into Hawaii, killing more than 150 people.

In 1948, the United States created its Pacific Tsunami Warning Center, which has been linked to an international data and warning network since 1965.

Any underwater earthquake with a magnitude greater than 6.5 starts the process, Dr. Murty said, and if a single wave gauge signals that the ocean is reacting, an alert is issued. But there has been little work done outside the Pacific, other than informal discussions, to expand the tsunami monitoring network.

"There's no reason for a single individual to get killed in a tsunami," Dr. Murty said. "The waves are totally predictable. We have travel-time charts covering all of the Indian Ocean. From where this earthquake happened to hit, the travel time for waves to hit the tip of India was four hours. That's enough time for a warning."


40 posted on 12/27/2004 5:55:22 PM PST by Drango (Those who advocate robbing (taxing) Peter to pay Paul...will always have the support of Paul.)
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All that they needed to do was call CNN and tell them to spread the word. This is very stupid on their part to say "their address book" was empty for that part of the world. I cant believethey had 60 minutes to warn and they did nothing.


43 posted on 12/28/2004 3:19:49 PM PST by Arjun (Skepticism is good. It keeps you alive.)
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