Sayin' Bye Bye

March 16th, 2003 | Sneakypete

[F16Fighter]

"We who participate accept and appreciate it's limitations."

What "limitations"??

The only one's I know of are: 'NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.'

If you are implying that any criticism of Dubya is verboten, I have done so without incident.

[Badray]

"Sorry to see you go, SP. You and I didn't cross paths too much, but if Kevie Curry hates you, you must have been doing a lot of things right."

MEGA DITTOS!

[tpaine]

"Demidog is over at Liberty Forum."


Where the only good Jew is a dead (or uprooted) Jew.
315 -kc-

Kevin, without a doubt, you are the ~smallest~ man on this forum.
- Good god man, it is way past time to learn how to control your petty hates.
358 tpaine



Now you're defending those folks at LF, where 75% of the posts sound like something from Stormfront?
Hating Nazis is never "petty".
376 -ch-


I'm 'defending' no one by chastizing a petty little man who slanders needlessly.
And get a grip on your own ~old~ hates. Your personal problems with me are well known.

[MeekOneGOP]

Hey, I'll bump that post, esopman ! (#202)

Sneakypete and I didn't see eye to eye regarding President Bush on a few occasions. My experience reflects yours, however. SP was always rational in his expression, but I think that we just agreed that we disagreed in the end as far as Bush is concerned.

I would urge SneakyPete to reconsider also. As you said esopman - and as my folks always said when I was a kid growing up (that's still happenin', btw, LOL!):

A winner never quits and a quitter never wins !!

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks for the ping, my FRiend . . .

[Natural Law]

I would prefer not to specifically identify those topics that result in censure or banning, but we all know what they are. I have witnessed the demise of some who chose to dwell on certain hot button issues. After all, half a forum is better than none. (Naivete is a French work you know)

[First_Salute]

The generals whom you have such a low regard for, have actually been clamoring for large increases in transport capability.

The problems are, roughly, that moving freight is not glamorous.

The Congress does not, therefore, get the point, that we need many, many more airlifters such as the C-17, and that we need, not only to convert some nuclear subs --- formerly scheduled to the wrecking yards --- into conventional attack subs, but also into transports of liquid supplies. (The submarine is a more "missile environment" survivable profile for transporting fleet fuel.)

The Office of the President has not been used by anybody since Reagan, to appreciate the transport need.

Basically, to have mobility, means having transports and all that their manufacture ... on up to ... maintenance and employment require.

The cost of this is in competition with the more flashy weapons systems which attract much more curiosity, at the Pentagon, in the Congress, and with too many chief executives in the "military-industrial complex," as well as, on occasion, a Chief Executive; all of whom think that this next "really neat" thing of destruction, will, though it be a "big ticket item," be efficient and save federal funds (as opposed to yours and mine!).

What, with that fancy new killing machine, the "higher-ups" all to often overlook, is that its logistics support is much larger than the previous killing machine. Much of this demand, comes from the higher technology equippage and field support attending. An example:

Air Force Association Magazine Online, February 2002 Vol. 85, No.02

Task Force Hawk

by Benjamin S. Lambeth

Baggage Problems

As one might have expected with that much additional equipment and personnel, however, the Apache deployment soon encountered the predictable consequences of the Army's decision to accompany the AH-64s with such a surfeit of arguably unnecessary extra baggage. It was at first estimated that 200 USAF C-17 transport sorties would be needed to airlift the assorted support elements with which the Apaches had been burdened. (The airport at Tirana, Albania, lacked the required taxiway and ramp specifications to accommodate the more capacious C-5.) In the end, it took more than 500 C-17 sorties, moving some 22,000 short tons in all, to transfer Hawk in its entirety. Commenting later on the deployment, one Army officer complained that the Army is "still organized to fight in the Fulda Gap." Even the outgoing Army Chief of Staff, Gen. Dennis J. Reimer, admitted in an internal memo to senior Army staff officers once the deployment package had finally been assembled in theater that the manifold problems encountered by Hawk had underscored a "need for more adaptive force packaging methodology."

 

In general, our need for many more C-17 aircraft, has not been taken seriously by those who expect "mobility."

[Protagoras]

Owk is still a poster here.

[Protagoras]

I shook his hand and told him as much at the MFJ.

What does MFJ stand for?

[Protagoras]

Sorry to see you go, SP. You and I didn't cross paths too much, but if Kevie Curry hates you, you must have been doing a lot of things right.

LOL, I second that.

[Protagoras]

Oh, I don't hate the sneakster

Well at least we know there is someone in the world you don't hate.

[saminfl]

I was saying that you seemed to think the generals were stupid. I only have scorn for the AFMC bunch.

[Protagoras]

The poster in question was routinely made to look like a fool by OWK and he can't get past it.

[1rudeboy]

I disagree.

[Protagoras]

I disagree.

Ok

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I disagreed with him on many issues but I never got the impression he was mean or rude.

[Raised eyebrows.]

[First_Salute]

All my life, I have, out of the public eye, supported our troops. There are some "higher-ups" who will not consider various battlefield / wartime possibilities that lay across their paths to stardom, and so willingly self-mis-informed, they charge headlong, at the expense of "the lesser ranks."

Always, when the battles are over, the "experts" wander over the battlefields, sifting for evidence of how, in their view, things could have cost less --- "we did not really need all of _____," they will say.

Even today, counting the tanks which never got to the Omaha beach on June 6, 1944, some "expert" on government economics will declare, "You see! We got ashore without them." Nevermind that the U.S. Navy, while tragically late at moving into the beachhead with main deck gunnery, did finally arrive and pound the hell out of the Germans. (There was from the beginning of the invasion, gunnery from the sea, but the deadly fortifications with machine guns could not be identified from miles away. The Navy moved some destroyers close to shore, and their relatively point blank hits helped our guys save what remained of that day.)

There are always such "experts" telling the Congress what we do not need, after the fact.

And then, our guys on the ground, are suddenly faced with an obstacle which, when they turn around for support, they find not much help on the way, if any; because some Beltway think tank wrote a "white paper" dripping with bow-tie "expertise" and supported by The Washington Post.

My interest has long been, that whatever the equippage, we have the ability to deliver it.

The man I was named after, was a lifelong friend of my dad. He flew both fighter aircraft and bombers during World War II. He flew many sorties for the Berlin Airlift. He died around the time of my birth, from polio.

I have considered myself to be a rather poor substitute and plenty of times, stupid, but not for lack of criticizing commanding officers who are self-absorbed.

[Badray]

"LOL, I second that."

LOL Beat you by 4 minutes, so I guess you're stuck with "thirding" it. But great minds do think alike.

[Badray]

MFJ = March For Justice. It was held on October 31, 1998 in DC by JimRob as a one man protest. It turned into almost 5000 people from around the country in about 3 weeks time. My first FReep, BTW, and I was hooked.

[Congressman Billybob]

I smiled broadly and laughed out loud when I read your estimate of my "Opus" in the event I leave Free Republic. It encouraged me to write it now, and post it on this thread:

Why Congressman Billybob Has Left Free Republic

Ol' Billybob will not be posting any more on Free Republic. The reason is that he died yesterday of extreme old age, while sitting in front of the computer. I'm sure he would have said, however, that he had a great time, met some unforgettable people, sharpened his wits, and improved his writing and his service to America as a direct result of reading and writing on Free Republic.

Although I resented, at times, the tremendous number of hours he spent on FR, I am equally certain it helped to keep him the exciting, funny man I married, so many years ago. Best wishes to all of you in the future.

/s/ Felicity Fahrquar, Close Personal Assistant to Congressman Billybob, and
/s/ Kemberly Herding, widow of J. Armor. Esq.

There, Mad Dawgg, is my Opus. Anyone who has any complaints is welcome to attend my funeral, drink heavily, laugh heartily, and then voice their complaints, if any remain. Although I am not Irish per se, I guaron-damn-tee that the services will be conducted in that tradition, music and all.

Billybob