Posted on 03/11/2003 3:01:59 PM PST by Remedy
A university professor said she was asked to resign for introducing elite students to flaws in Darwinian thought, and she now says academic freedom at her school is just a charade.
During a recent honors forum at Mississippi University for Women (MUW), Dr. Nancy Bryson gave a presentation titled "Critical Thinking on Evolution" -- which covered alternate views to evolution such as intelligent design. Bryson said that following the presentation, a senior professor of biology told her she was unqualified and not a professional biologist, and said her presentation was "religion masquerading as science."
The next day, Vice President of Academic Affairs, Dr. Vagn Hansen asked Bryson to resign from her position as head of the school's Division of Science and Mathematics.
"The academy is all about free thought and academic freedom. He hadn't even heard my talk," Bryson told American Family Radio News. "[W]ithout knowing anything about my talk, he makes that decision. I think it's just really an outrage."
Bryson believes she was punished for challenging evolutionary thought and said she hopes her dismissal will smooth the way for more campus debate on the theory of evolution. University counsel Perry Sansing said MUW will not comment on why Bryson was asked to resign because it is a personnel matter.
"The best reaction," Bryson says, "and the most encouraging reaction I have received has been from the students." She added that the students who have heard the talk, "They have been so enthusiastically supportive of me."
Bryson has contacted the American Family Association Center for Law and Policy and is considering taking legal action against the school.
Andrew, no one reads these threads beyond the first page but us. Nothing is ever accomplished. No one's mind has been changed. None of this matters. Haven't you wondered why so few scientists bother to post on FR anymore? They've either been run off by rude remarks, or they've figured out that the lot of you are career members of a forensics team. Either way, loads of hard evidence has been presented, which is gleefully ignored.
As far as figuring out why with the help of inter-atomic forces you don't fly off the world, look in any basic chemistry book.
Oh dear, how disappointing. I thought we were having such a tremendous impact on the lurkers.
Aside from the obvious, that there are mathematical relationships between all things that interact, I can't possibly answer you, I'm too busy laughing. Perhaps our resident mathematician would care to take a stab at this...unless of course he too is overcome with hysterics.
It's a wonder to me that people like you continue to post here. You seem to have some difficulty with the English language which would seem to put you at a great disadvantage in a forum such as this.
The fact that mathematics is used in chemistry doesn't make chemistry central to mathematics.
Maybe you went to the Jesse Jackson School of Reasoning?
ML/NJ
And 150 years later not only does it not cure belly ache, but it has not led to a single useful application. Instead, evolution keeps getting in the way of science instead of leading it to new discoveries.
Typical evolutionist statement - rhetoric based on baseless assumptions instead of facts.
Not true. I am fairly certain FR evolutionists have driven any fence sitters away from their random-orderly fact-myth. I know of at least two who have switched over from the evo side.
And this is to be expected. The evos are characteristically rude, condescending and evasive while accusing creationists of the sins they mass produce. Sound familiar? It should be! It is a ploy that has long been used by the democrats.
A lack of understanding on your part does not equate to a failure of an entire discipline. It only reflects on your closed mind.
Interesting, I guess the twenty or so ex-creationists that reside on talk.origins should balance that out, eh?
Remember, even though 200 scientists say that there is reason to doubt evolution, there are 212 scientists named Steve alone who don't. Creationism doesn't win any popularity contests. How many times do I have to tell you that?
As far as rudeness. I have two places you should check out. The ICR message boards, where the mere mention of evolution as fact causes you to be banned, and the Baptist Boards, where the mere mention of evolution as fact causes your post to be redacted without your permission. I'd say that's worse than any lib tactic I can think of.
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Did you take your Red Herring diploma from an East Coast institute? I hear their programs are the best.
Dan
You don't have the answer. I do not recall any chemistry book covering flying off the earth.
Here is a simple experiment with some setup.
Your concern for the stampeded scientists is admirable, but this thread is about one who has been punished for thought and not for ability (at least that is the information presented so far). Read your own post -- You have made a comment that is not true, a personal "attack", in the sense of a red herring. On top of that, the team aspect of your charge is evident in your address list. "Hard" evidence is "hard" evidence to you, not necessarily to anyone else. If the evidence were "hard" H. rudolfensis would not be suspect as a separate species.
SO well-put, it deserved repeating.
And now it has been!
Dan
The original comment concerned the debates on FR. If you want to play the I-can-top-that game, we win. Why else would the loony left propose a Darwin Day to combat creationist gains? Why else would the wing-nut left punish somone for pointing out that the emperor has no clothes? Because the evolutionist Parthians are in retreat.
Wishing won't make it so, Dataman. New evidence comes out every day that pounds a nail in the coffin of creationism. The combination of evidence in the tripod of astrophysics, geophysics and biology is more than enough to disprove all versions of YEC, OEC and the lack of a scientific theory for intelligent design makes me doubt that there will be anything meaningful coming from that branch of thought. Boastful wishing isn't going to counteract evidence.
Be worthy of your screen name. The evidence isn't a problem provided it's not the frequent manufactured evidence often called hoaxes. It's the interpretation of the evidence that is the issue.
I'm sure lots of people who beleive in evolution certainly believe in some primordial abiogenetic event. I think the possibility that life arose abiogenetically should be investigated. However, no part of the scientific framework of evolution requires this, and I personally, given the paucity of evidence, remain scientifically agnostic. Precisely because evolution is a scientific and not a philosophical theory, I resist extending it beyond the domain for which there is scientific data.
Excellent advice. Now why don't you put it into practice?
DO IT! Evolution is a farce. ALways has been. It's fatelly flawed. Allow young minds to THINK instead of being indoctrinated with the absurd - evolution.
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