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Elizabeth Smart--New Suspect, New Thread
Larry King Live; KUTV; Salt Lake Tribune; etc. ^ | December 23, 24, 25, 2002 | Various

Posted on 12/26/2002 2:56:18 PM PST by Palladin

KING: All right, let's talk about the Elizabeth Smart case, which the media has kind of left now. What is your best read on that tragedy in Utah?

WALSH: I spent yesterday by coincidence with Ed and Lois Smart. I had them on "The John Walsh Show" to kind of give an update to the case. You know, Ricci, the guy that was the main suspect, died in prison of an aneurysm. He's the guy that was the handyman at the house that put 1,000 miles on his pickup truck during the two days that she was missing. He was a burglar. He also had a rap sheet, which a lot of the media doesn't understand. He spent 10 years in jail. He tried to blow the head off of a cop with a shotgun. This is a real bad guy.

I hope that he didn't take the secret of Elizabeth Smart to the grave with him. I talked to Ed and Lois yesterday. I said, don't give up hope. Justice delayed isn't justice denied.

What's killing them is the fact of the not knowing. I think they're prepared for the worst. Most parents of missing children are prepared for the worst. But their young daughter has now said that she believes that Ricci wasn't the guy in there that night, that it may have been another guy that did some work on their roof, an itinerant guy that worked at a homeless shelter, and he may be a suspect in this. And I don't want to give away a lot of breaking information here, but "America's Most Wanted" is going to take a look at the Smart case, because I know one thing, we have been able to solve crimes after 10 years.

So I gave the Smarts, you know, the best encouragement I could and said, look, don't give up hope. We'll relook at the case. It is normal for the media tension to die down, and to try to have a good holiday. This is going to be the first Christmas without this beautiful girl, and the Smarts have five other beautiful children. So they're trying to hold that family together.

I said, you know, do the best you can with your five children. Don't give up hope, and, you know what, we'll take another look at this case and try to keep it alive.

(Excerpt) Read more at silenter.com ...


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KEYWORDS: amw; briandavidmitchell; elizabethsmart; missingchild; newsuspect
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To: Palladin
I didn't see the show, but the comment about Angela is interesting.
301 posted on 02/05/2003 12:21:12 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict; Palladin; All
Smarts still seek answers

As much as they must have dreaded doing it, Ed and Lois Smart went public again this week about the disappearance of their daughter.

It's been eight months since Elizabeth Smart was taken from her east bench bedroom. Her middle school class is now in high school. Her 15th birthday has come and gone. Summer has turned into fall and fall into winter and still the blue ribbons wave in her neighborhood, tied to trees, fences, antennas, mailboxes and memories. Elizabeth's home is still her home. It will be blue until she returns.

Ed and Lois held a press conference Monday to release information about a homeless handyman with the apparent pseudonym of "Emmanuel" who spent a day at the Smart's house about seven months before Elizabeth's abduction. Elizabeth's younger sister, Mary Katherine, the only eyewitness to the crime, made Emmanuel a suspect of sorts when she told her father this past October that Emmanuel's hair was slicked back in a style reminiscent of the person she saw abduct her sister; he "might" have been the one who took her.

The police and FBI have discreetly searched for Emmanuel ever since, to no avail. So, in a call reminiscent of the immediate aftermath of Elizabeth's kidnapping when more than 10,000 volunteers searched every canyon, crag, fold and ravine in northern Utah, the Smarts felt it was again time to go public and let everyone start searching.


The Smarts are a family tortured twice — tortured by what they know and what they don't know. Elizabeth is missing, but who took her? And why? There has been no ransom demand (save for a bogus one from a candidate for America's Dumbest Criminals). There has been no discovery of huge losses of money or jewels from the Smart residence that would indicate a burglary that went awry. There was no death-bed confession from Richard Ricci, the career criminal and handyman who once burglarized the Smart home and died unexpectedly last August.

Now there's another handyman to add to the mystery: a self-styled street preacher who walked in and out of the Smart's life in a single day, doing yardwork and hammering shingles on the roof not six feet from Elizabeth's father.


For the life of them, Ed and Lois Smart can deduce no motive for the street preacher to abduct their little girl. Lois Smart made the initial contact with Emmanuel when he asked for spare change while she was shopping downtown. She gave him $5 and said if he needed more, he could work for her husband.

The skylights were leaking, so when Emmanuel appeared the next day, Ed not only put him to work on the shingles but climbed atop the house with him. They talked of Jesus and being saved. When Emmanuel left five hours later, Ed paid him $50 and asked him to come back. But Emmanuel, a transient who told the Smarts he and his sister were staying with someone in the valley, never returned.

The relationship is eerily similar to the one Ed had with Ricci, whom he befriended with work and a car, only to be rewarded by larceny and dishonesty.

What does it all mean? Are the Smarts the epitome of do-gooders who help the homeless and ex-cons and get paid with a backhand across the face? Are they living proof that no good deed goes unpunished?

As they publicly released the police composite sketch of Emmanuel, Ed and Lois talked yet again of someone they once helped who is now wanted for questioning in their daughter's disappearance.

They don't know if there is a connection. Eight months later, all they have are questions — and an undying hope that someone, somewhere, has the answers.


Lee Benson's column runs Sunday, Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Please send e-mail to benson@desnews.com and faxes to 801-237-2527



302 posted on 02/05/2003 1:15:19 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Palladin; FR_addict
This is the first I've heard that Moul had had vehicles stolen from his garage. Any links?

Police incompetent? In a way, I think so. Their handling of the earliest hours may have been due to poorly trained officers. But it could also have been because of what was reported to them by Ed in his 911 call. Or not reported...the gun, in particular.

Frankly, I have my doubts about there being an "Emanuel."

303 posted on 02/05/2003 3:20:17 PM PST by lakey ((Thinking is unpatriotic - Wiley - non-Sequitur))
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To: Palladin
Klaas also said that Angela Ricci is the most believable person in the entire case!

Angela Ricci has a record of conning people so it is not surprising to have a situation were many people can be fooled by this type of individual. Who are you going to believe? The SLCPD/FBI or an ex-con who may have been involved in the crime. Mr. Klass should not be making the kind of statement he made without being prepared to back it up. He is no more an expert in this matter than anyone who has followed this case here on the free republic. His "feelings" about Angela Ricci and the Smart family are nothing more than that, "feelings". It irritates me to see someone like him getting paid by the networks for their "expert" opinions.

304 posted on 02/05/2003 4:49:41 PM PST by sandude
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To: lakey
Mary Katherine, the only eyewitness to the crime, made Emmanuel a suspect of sorts when she told her father this past October that Emmanuel's hair was slicked back in a style reminiscent of the person she saw abduct her sister; he "might" have been the one who took her.

Huh? Slicked-back hair? How could she see that under the baseball/golf cap?

These people are losing all credibility.

305 posted on 02/05/2003 6:52:58 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Palladin
Wearing a cap, she could see that his hair was slicked-back. LOL!

The Smarts are talking so much, they've forgotten what their scenario was.

306 posted on 02/05/2003 7:41:16 PM PST by lakey ((Thinking is unpatriotic - Wiley - non-Sequitur))
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To: sandude
Hi dude! Have you kept up with all the things the Smarts have said? You really think they are credible?

307 posted on 02/05/2003 7:44:35 PM PST by lakey ((Thinking is unpatriotic - Wiley - non-Sequitur))
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To: lakey
I couldn't find the link to the story yet, but it was on Free Republic at one time.

I did find this early post though. I thought it was pertinent here.



RE; The Mechanic's Story Conflicts

A mechanic told ABC News last night, the car disappeared right before the kidnapping and didn't re-appear until two days after Elizabeth's kidnapping when Ricci dropped it off. Sources told ABC News the car racked up 1,000 miles on the odometer.
taken from full story here

The whole point of this is he went in front of a Grand Jury and gave statements, then he is on TV giving 2 different versions of the Jeep and how it got off his lot. "it disappeared" or "Ricci came in to pick it up", a lawyer defending Ricci will see these conflicts with the Mechanic's story.

163 posted on 06/30/2002 4:41 PM PDT by brigette

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/708446/posts?q=1&&page=151
308 posted on 02/05/2003 7:52:51 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
Got it. Thank you! Will read it now. I didn't know any of the earliest threads were still available.


309 posted on 02/05/2003 8:06:17 PM PST by lakey ((Thinking is unpatriotic - Wiley - non-Sequitur))
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To: FR_addict; Plummz; varina davis
Is Plummz still around? We'll see.

Way back on June 30th: # 157 "Could it be the sister didn't see anything at all? Could it be the family does not want an accurate sketch released because they don't want the man MK saw to be found?"

Varina replied, "Ping!"

I say, BINGO!

310 posted on 02/05/2003 8:30:24 PM PST by lakey ((Thinking is unpatriotic - Wiley - non-Sequitur))
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To: Palladin; FR_addict; cherry
One thing that Mary Katherine said on "48 Hrs" sticks with me. Asked, "When do you think of Elizabeth," MK said, "When our dad tucks me in bed at night."

No, I'm not suggesting there's any hanky-panky. But why is it "dad" tucking her in, as if he does it every night? Just a thought.

311 posted on 02/05/2003 9:21:31 PM PST by lakey (Oh, what webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive)
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To: lakey
Hi dude! Have you kept up with all the things the Smarts have said? You really think they are credible?

I have always pinned my trust in the law enforcement community in this case. I believe that if the family was involved in anyway that they would have been found out by now. I also feel that the Smarts are guilty of being gullible and naive as to the real world. Their desire to do things on the cheap and to help down and outers may have brought this tragedy to them.

312 posted on 02/06/2003 4:53:25 PM PST by sandude
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To: sandude
Usually, I also pin my trust on law enforcement. Not always though. Mainly because the effectiveness of investigations can depend on the politics within a department - like who wants "yes men"? Is there back-stabbing, or can they work as a team? How well-trained are they?

What the Smarts are doing is highly contradictory to their insistance that they trust LE. Throwing out info, bit by bit, a new handyman - one who cannot be documented - and now Ed wants Ricci out of his life. A reward for Ricci's innocence?????

Wait a minute, honey....

313 posted on 02/06/2003 8:07:28 PM PST by lakey (Oh, what webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive)
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To: lakey
Frankly, I have my doubts about there being an "Emanuel."

Ping!

314 posted on 02/06/2003 10:40:32 PM PST by varina davis
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To: lakey; All
Throwing out info, bit by bit, a new handyman - one who cannot be documented - and now Ed wants Ricci out of his life. A reward for Ricci's innocence?????

Looks like some guilt-tripping to me.

315 posted on 02/06/2003 10:44:24 PM PST by varina davis
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To: varina davis; lakey; Palladin
I was thinking about this roofer/panhandler thing.

1) Ed was the one who provided the description of this man. If they really think that this could be the man, why didn't they ask MK to sketch out how he was wearing the golf hat so that she could see his slick back hair?

2) We had been told the voice was familiar to MK. Was she out talking to this man while he was pulling weeds?

3)What would a homeless man (or panhandler) be doing with a golf hat? It sounded like someone dressed for the neighborhood.

4) Where would a homeless man keep a gun?

5) Did anyone notice hairy hands when he was at the house? What was he wearing when he was working on the roof and pulling weeds?

6) Where was Elizabeth when the man was working around the house. Was she with MK? Did they talk to the man together?

7) I would have trouble describing a workman from a few days ago, let alone months ago. If Ed could provide this detailed a description of the man, then he should remember whether Elizabeth was around the man. Ed said he went up on the roof to talk to the man. Was Elizabeth around?
316 posted on 02/07/2003 5:58:05 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict
Do you suppose Mary Katherine may have been thinking of a portrait of Joseph Smith when she described "Emmanuel"? The eerie light in the sketch; the old-fashioned, open-necked white shirt; the dark slicked-back hair, etc.
317 posted on 02/07/2003 1:10:31 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Palladin; FR_addict; cherry; varina davis; scaredkat; sandude; Sherlock
Here's an article I hadn't read before.

Dated 6/13/02, from the National Desk of United Press International, Salt Lake City:

Chance of hoax clouds Utah kidnap probe

www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=1306022-120158-7599r

On other pages, I was reminded of Ed's hospitalization for exhaustion. Had not slept for two days! The two days after Elizabeth's disappearance.

318 posted on 02/07/2003 3:48:34 PM PST by lakey (Oh, what webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive)
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To: varina davis
Guilt-tripping. That can be taken two ways.
319 posted on 02/07/2003 3:50:51 PM PST by lakey (Oh, what webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive)
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To: lakey
That link doesn't work for me.

An elaborate hoax? If so, where is Elizabeth?
320 posted on 02/07/2003 6:04:10 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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