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Evolution Disclaimer Supported
The Advocate (Baton Rouge) ^ | 12/11/02 | WILL SENTELL

Posted on 12/11/2002 6:28:08 AM PST by A2J

By WILL SENTELL

wsentell@theadvocate.com

Capitol news bureau

High school biology textbooks would include a disclaimer that evolution is only a theory under a change approved Tuesday by a committee of the state's top school board.

If the disclaimer wins final approval, it would apparently make Louisiana just the second state in the nation with such a provision. The other is Alabama, which is the model for the disclaimer backers want in Louisiana.

Alabama approved its policy six or seven years ago after extensive controversy that included questions over the religious overtones of the issue.

The change approved Tuesday requires Louisiana education officials to check on details for getting publishers to add the disclaimer to biology textbooks.

It won approval in the board's Student and School Standards/ Instruction Committee after a sometimes contentious session.

"I don't believe I evolved from some primate," said Jim Stafford, a board member from Monroe. Stafford said evolution should be offered as a theory, not fact.

Whether the proposal will win approval by the full state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education on Thursday is unclear.

Paul Pastorek of New Orleans, president of the board, said he will oppose the addition.

"I am not prepared to go back to the Dark Ages," Pastorek said.

"I don't think state boards should dictate editorial content of school textbooks," he said. "We shouldn't be involved with that."

Donna Contois of Metairie, chairwoman of the committee that approved the change, said afterward she could not say whether it will win approval by the full board.

The disclaimer under consideration says the theory of evolution "still leaves many unanswered questions about the origin of life.

"Study hard and keep an open mind," it says. "Someday you may contribute to the theories of how living things appeared on earth."

Backers say the addition would be inserted in the front of biology textbooks used by students in grades 9-12, possibly next fall.

The issue surfaced when a committee of the board prepared to approve dozens of textbooks used by both public and nonpublic schools. The list was recommended by a separate panel that reviews textbooks every seven years.

A handful of citizens, one armed with a copy of Charles Darwin's "Origin of the Species," complained that biology textbooks used now are one-sided in promoting evolution uncritically and are riddled with factual errors.

"If we give them all the facts to make up their mind, we have educated them," Darrell White of Baton Rouge said of students. "Otherwise we have indoctrinated them."

Darwin wrote that individuals with certain characteristics enjoy an edge over their peers and life forms developed gradually millions of years ago.

Backers bristled at suggestions that they favor the teaching of creationism, which says that life began about 6,000 years ago in a process described in the Bible's Book of Genesis.

White said he is the father of seven children, including a 10th-grader at a public high school in Baton Rouge.

He said he reviewed 21 science textbooks for use by middle and high school students. White called Darwin's book "racist and sexist" and said students are entitled to know more about controversy that swirls around the theory.

"If nothing else, put a disclaimer in the front of the textbooks," White said.

John Oller Jr., a professor at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette, also criticized the accuracy of science textbooks under review. Oller said he was appearing on behalf of the Louisiana Family Forum, a Christian lobbying group.

Oller said the state should force publishers to offer alternatives, correct mistakes in textbooks and fill in gaps in science teachings. "We are talking about major falsehoods that should be addressed," he said.

Linda Johnson of Plaquemine, a member of the board, said she supports the change. Johnson said the new message of evolution "will encourage students to go after the facts."


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To: Heartlander
Whatever.
4,021 posted on 01/08/2003 8:40:22 PM PST by tpaine (- Small minds enjoy petty triumphs.)
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To: Condorman
I'd like to thank the 3,999 posts that came before me, without whom none of this would be possible.

Yes, well, I noticed that as soon as you pushed us above threshold, the text started turning as blue as Sani-Flush. This is all your fault.

I'd also like to extend my (sincere) thanks to all for the last many-hundred remarkably well-mannered posts.

So much for that.

4,022 posted on 01/08/2003 8:40:51 PM PST by Physicist (The next plane crash is your fault, too.)
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To: viaveritasvita
Thank you oh so very much for the heads up and the kudos! And thanks for finding that over-the-mountain quote! Hugs!!!
4,023 posted on 01/08/2003 8:42:30 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Physicist
Well phooey on you!

I also invented child-proof lighters, the snooze button, and internet pop-up ads!

Thbpbpbpbpbpbpbpbp!!!
4,024 posted on 01/08/2003 8:45:06 PM PST by Condorman (AND I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll!)
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To: Condorman
The structure of all three sentences is essentially identical. How you managed to extract "adjective phrase" is beyond me.

Bascially because it was describing the noun evolution. But I'll give this one to you and call it an appositive noun phrase.

4,025 posted on 01/08/2003 8:47:35 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Heartlander
Glad to hear it, if that is what you wish your child to learn and are willing to pay for it, then more power to you.

But to use my tax dollars to indoctrinate children in religious orthodoxy through the science classroom in a public school is not something that I am willing to allow.

Science is science, religion is religion.

If I am to be forced to pay for something, I expect it to be secular and to give knowledge, not indoctrinate. Although what am I talking about? That is all the public schools do anymore, which is why I homeschool.
4,026 posted on 01/08/2003 8:48:06 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: gore3000
Thank you so much for your post!

Seems I recall that Darwin was concerned what the fossil record would actually show when it was all said and done. A lot of questions could be laid to rest if we were able to pull DNA information beyond the 60-100,000 year old barrier.

4,027 posted on 01/08/2003 8:48:07 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: SunnyUsa
Be nice to him until he learns to spell equivalent. :-)
4,028 posted on 01/08/2003 8:48:41 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Physicist
FLUSH!!!
4,029 posted on 01/08/2003 8:51:05 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: longshadow
Asked and answered a couple days ago. You can look it up; it's in your "replies" queue. Suffice to say, it isn't what YOU think he means.

Really? He means the Universe is not an accident? And he's not basing his opinion on the theory of evolution?

I'll give you the point about the grammar.

4,030 posted on 01/08/2003 8:53:55 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: viaveritasvita
Good post 3V
4,031 posted on 01/08/2003 8:57:21 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: betty boop
If we wish to determine the structure of an object that reflected into the eye photons of wavelength [red], then our science can do that, and it can, indeed show us the matrix of molecules at the surface of the apple. But these two are hardly identical. One is the initial train of events that gave rise to a neural stimulus; the other lies somewhere beyond that neural stimulus….

The problem with materialism is shown right there. What we 'see' materially is just photons of light, but this by itself is nonsense. What we need for 'seeing' is the translation and comprehension of these stimuli and there is no way that matter can 'translate' and organize itself into something else. This requires a non-material means - call it logic if you wish, call it symbolism if you like, but for reality to be useful to us it is necessary for it to be changed into something else which the mind can make sense of. The mind has to give form to the jumble of stimuli. This is a totally non-materialistic process.

4,032 posted on 01/08/2003 9:00:50 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Aric2000
Again, I quoted textbooks that seem to advocate a certain philosophy.

Then there is this…

4,033 posted on 01/08/2003 9:05:21 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: gore3000
Rats, something I forgot to mention in my reply...

I am still troubled by the lack of new animal phyla after the Cambrian Explosion, considering the amount of time involved and the intervening extinctions creating environmental opportunity.

It seems to me there ought to be more diversity, substantially so. I do have a bet on that and will collect a dinner and cup of coffee if new post-Cambrian animal phyla are discovered in the fossil record.

4,034 posted on 01/08/2003 9:09:15 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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Placemarker
4,035 posted on 01/08/2003 9:09:25 PM PST by B. Rabbit (But when the flim-flam metachondrial wizzums diolate into fricktopian sa.... Never mind, I'm dumb.)
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To: All; f.Christian; tpaine
"(Evolution - life's a niche, and then you die.)"

Life's a Nietzsche, then you die!

*<:oD
4,036 posted on 01/08/2003 9:10:50 PM PST by viaveritasvita (Sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3-4)
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To: B. Rabbit
I don't need a supernatural being to know that my family has importance, it is self evident with or without your God.

But that is not the point. The point is - why does your family have importance? Why is it a big part of your life? Love, affection, caring, and the other emotions you may have for them are not part of the material realm.

4,037 posted on 01/08/2003 9:11:20 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Heartlander
Yes, I have seen ALL of that, it does NOTHING to change my views. The theory of evolution is still the best theory we have to explain the FACTS at hand.

ID/Creationism and all other "theories" that use god are not science, they are religious.

Sure, you can try to come up with stuff to refute evolution, and that is just fine, as long as those refutations are scientific and are able to be studied by other scientists and confirmed.

Otherwise it will be tossed out with the rest of the theories that have been tested and have failed.

When more then 20% of scientists are convinced to start questioning the validity of the Theory of Evolution,then you will get my attention, but you're not even close to 1%, so it is just another passing attack that will die of it's own nonfactual and nonscientific basis.
4,038 posted on 01/08/2003 9:13:17 PM PST by Aric2000 (The Theory of Evolution is Science, ID and Creationism are Religious, Any Questions?)
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To: All; PatrickHenry
"(If I don't respond, you're on 'virtual ignore.')"

Coward.
4,039 posted on 01/08/2003 9:16:32 PM PST by viaveritasvita (Every law is an evil, for every law is an infraction of liberty. Jeremy Bentham)
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To: Aric2000
“…before Copernicus developed the heliocentric model of our solar system, most scientists believed that the planets and the sun revolved around the earth. Yet many astronomers of the time noticed that planets sometimes exhibited "retrograde motion" where they would temporarily move backwards in circular paths, unpredicted by the geocentric theory. This, according to geocentrists, was the result of "epicycles" where planets not only revolved around the earth, but also around a central point along their orbital path. An epicycle was therefore an additional explanation used to resolve inconsistencies between the scientific data and predictions from the now-falsified geocentric model of the solar system. Had these astronomers had a different sun-centered theory of the solar system, they would have quickly realized that these "retrograde epicycles" were merely the result of the earth's annual orbit around the sun. “

“In the same way, proponents of naturalistic theories of descent now develop "epicycle-like" explanations to resolve apparently falsifying data. While descent hypotheses could potentially be falsified by this data, these "auxiliary hypotheses" (i.e. punctuated equilibrium, miraculous genetic duplications and co-optations, lateral gene transfer, hopeful lack of data) do serve to preserve the original theory of descent. However, in the process, they force the primary claims of common descent, namely the fact that all organisms are related through ancestry and evolved by mutation and selection, into an unfalsifiable position. “

“In his book, Kuhn notes that a theory in "crisis" will develop such auxiliary hypotheses to save the core tenets of the theory. As seen in the geocentrism example, false hypotheses can survive for hundreds of years before enough "quirks" in the data develop to force some scientists to look elsewhere. However Kuhn observes that scientists will generally not consider abandoning a paradigm or important theory until they are able to replace it with a new paradigm which can better explain the "quirks" of the old paradigm, "...a scientific theory is declared invalid only if an alternative candidate is available to take its place."

“Since the time of Darwin, evolutionists have known about the weaknesses of the theory of evolution and descent with modification. Yet, they have not abandoned it simply because they say, "it's the best theory we've got". Descent, through these "ad hoc" hypotheses, has been forced into an unfalsifiable position, lest it be falsified. “

4,040 posted on 01/08/2003 9:17:21 PM PST by Heartlander
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