Evolution Disclaimer Supported

The Advocate (Baton Rouge) ^ | 12/11/02 | WILL SENTELL

[Aric2000]

Poor exmarine, clueless, totally clueless.

Ah, be it so fanatical.

Oh, and by the way, You ARE NEVER an Ex Marine, once you are one, you are one for life.

How about we call you, US Marine, or retired marine, but NOT ex.

PH, Physicist, etc, did you get that last one?

In fact, God is a better and more logical answer than "chance" or "natural selection + random mutation".

I guess we have been wasting all that time and research, and discovered all those many things using that theory of evolution in biology, molecular structure, DNA etc, and look it how wrong we were. I guess Exmarine has the WHOLE answer.

GODDIDIT!!!

We're done, don't need to study anything anymore, if we don't understand something, that's OK, you know why?

GODDIDIT!!!

We can all go home now....

[Doctor Stochastic]

"Credo in at most unum deum,"-PDQ Bach

[balrog666]

Your conclusions simply do not follow from your premises. I am worth much more than a rock to myself, while you aren't worth even that.

It's really very simple. My life and the lives of my loved ones have value to me and meaning for me. My place in a livable society, and the responsibility to maintain and improve it for them, yields the same valuable result for you and yours. It's an vast series of economic transactions of convenience for the "good" of each of us resulting in the "good life" for all of us.

No overarching morality needed, no beyond-the-grave coercion needed, no gods needed. Don't think so? Then let the oil, electricity, clean water, and food distribution networks break down and see what happens to our wonderful little civilization and all our loving, considerate, god-fearing, moral people.

[js1138]

Is it possible there could be more than one Creator God?

Well, Elohiem is plural.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your post!

If I said anything that sounded Kantian to you, it was entirely accidental.

You cannot arbitrarily decalre God to be immune from the problem of existence simply by declaring Him outside of space and time.

There was nothing arbitrary in my statement. Any intellectual being existing solely within space/time (including physical laws, geometry, etc.) --- cannot be God for the very reason that Physicist gave in explaining why there is no "before" the big bang, i.e. no "south" of the South Pole. If the being only exists "in" space/time, the being cannot be "before" space/time.

The universe can also be seen as outside of space and time.

I am not aware of any Cosmology, Astronomy or Physics which allows this universe to exist except as space/time, e.g. the inflationary model. Space/time is created as the universe expands.

[Fester Chugabrew]

" . . . Pee Wee Herman's voice."

Whatever bakes your cake.

[Junior]

placemarker

[f.Christian]

I do speak altar boy latin . . . fluently - - - one of my early disgraces // failures!

[exmarine]

Your conclusions simply do not follow from your premises. I am worth much more than a rock to myself, while you aren't worth even that. It's really very simple. My life and the lives of my loved ones have value to me and meaning for me. My place in a livable society, and the responsibility to maintain and improve it for them, yields the same valuable result for you and yours. It's an vast series of economic transactions of convenience for the "good" of each of us resulting in the "good life" for all of us.

You simply can't see the folly of your position can you? Yes, your loved ones have value "to you," another meaningless rock, but they do not have intrinsic objective value. They can't possibly. They have meaning to you, but the meaning you feel for them is just a meaningless chemical process in your materialistic brain. Next time you grieve for a lost loved one, might I suggest that you remember that the grief you feel is a mere chemical process on your brain....see if that will provide you with any comfort in your time of loss (I mean that respectfully). Under materialism, nothing can have value, yet you assign it value anyway. That is precisely the hopeless dichotomy I was talking about.

[js1138]

I can't spell. I was thinking of this Georg Cantor

[f.Christian]

Plural . . . the Creator has parts - - - specialities!

[Junior]

You were an altar boy? So was I -- until I got too big to wear the cassock...

[balrog666]

That is precisely the hopeless dichotomy I was talking about.

Once again, you fail to see or understand any viewpoint but your own. So, why even discuss it?

[Aric2000]

I see, so Balrog of course cannot be religious in any way shape or form because he chooses to understand the scientific value and pursuit of evolution.

I get it now, if you believe in evolution you are an atheist/communist/materialist etc etc ad nauseum.

If you believe that evolution is the best scientific explanation for what we are today, you must believe that god does NOT exist, and that NO one has a soul, that everyone is just a piece of the celestial rock that happens to think.

Get a clue Exmarine, get a clue.

[js1138]

If we agree that the universe IS space/time, then there is no point in asking how it was created. It is the same question as asking how God was created. If there is no time outside the existence of the universe, then there is no BEFORE the universe and no reason to attempt to explain its existence. Same goes for
God. There is no rational reason to separate the universe and
God, certainly no evidence.

[exmarine]

Then let the oil, electricity, clean water, and food distribution networks break down and see what happens to our wonderful little civilization and all our loving, considerate, god-fearing, moral people.

First, what people is done because people are basically evil. Who said our people were God-fearing? We live in a nation far removed from the God-fearing nation it was in the 1600s. That being said, it is first and foremost Christians who feed the starving, hurting people worldwide today. Who is the first in after an earthquake or hurricane - Christian organizations. See any muslims or hindus doing this worldwide? Not on your life. In fact, it was Christians who opened the first hospitals and orphanages in the West, and it was the Puritans who introduced universal education for children.

On the other hand, what has atheism contributed to the world - Stalin, Mao, hundreds of millions of dead in this century alone. Atheism produces only ugliness becuase it is empty and devoid of any values. Human beings have no worth if they come from rocks.

[exmarine]

I get it now, if you believe in evolution you are an atheist/communist/materialist etc etc ad nauseum.

Stop assigning things to me I didn't say. It was true in his case. Is it true in yours? There are people who claim to believe in God and evolution - they are the saddest case of all.

If you believe that evolution is the best scientific explanation for what we are today, you must believe that god does NOT exist, and that NO one has a soul, that everyone is just a piece of the celestial rock that happens to think.

It seems you are now less dogmatic about evolution. Now, you say you believe in it. Tell me, where do human beings get their value? hmmm? Do they have value? If they do, where does that value come from? Certainly not from evolutionary theory! Where?

[exmarine]

Questions for you to ponder: Can you explain in terms of evolutionary theory how: Consciousness came from unconsciousness; personality came from non-personality?

[Aric2000]

Balrog666,

Don't you get it? Since you believe in the science of evolution, you must be an atheist/communist/materialist.

Life is nothing but an accident, therefore it must mean nothing to you, but since he is a christian and has morals and cannot in good faith believe in such things as evolution because it goes against his belief in creationism, he is a good moral person and believes in the sanctity of life, but you can't, because you believe in evolution.

You are such a terrible human being!! How dare you believe in evolution!! You immoral, athiestic communist materialist!!

Don't you know? GODDIDIT

That IS the answer.

You know that bacteria that has become immune to antibiotics? THat's NOT eveolution.

GODDIDIT

You know all those fossils in the ground? Those aren't real? The tree of evolution is NOT there, GODDIDIT to fool us mortal men and take them away from his grace.

Didn't you know that?

Ok, I am taking off my tinfoil beannie now.

Sorry, I just couldn't help myself!! ;)

[js1138]

We live in a nation far removed from the God-fearing nation it was in the 1600s.

Thank God for that. Do you wish to bring back the Cristian Taliban?