Posted on 10/23/2002 1:04:07 AM PDT by Roscoe
Frustrated by the Libertarian Party's failure to make progress nationally, Jason Sorens GRD '04 decided the best course of action would be to take over Wyoming. Or maybe Alaska.
The plan, which Sorens calls "The Free State Project," is ambitious. It calls for moving 20,000 people -- including the one additional Yalie who has signed on so far -- over the next nine years to a sparsely populated state where they would take to the ballot boxes in order to repeal most drug and gun laws, eliminate the income tax, and privatize most government-run industries.
So in July 2001, he posted an essay on the project on the Internet. Within a few days, he had over 200 e-mails from people who were interested.
"The response was positively overwhelming," he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at yaledailynews.com ...
Oh boy...I have to revise the question even more before you'll answer it?
You are now backing away from your previous position. It is now your position that administering drugs is perfectly fine if you are not trying to induce a spell?
Answer the question please.
But you say, it's not Theft if the State Outlaws the property.
So how was it "theft", if the State had Outlawed the property-ownership in question??
Be specific -- how was it "theft", if the State had Outlawed the Ownership in question??
Also the government did not treat the Jews as they would be treated. Two commandments broken. The Nazis treated the Jews as they would not be treated.
Also, you do not treat those who become intoxicated on Private Property, as you would like to be treated.
For example, a Yemeni Muslim would outlaw your beer, but permit the herbal intoxicant khat, an amphetamine-like euphoriant and stimulant. You would turn the tables, and outlaw khat while permitting beer.
What do you both have in common?
Your both in favor of violating the Golden Rule -- breaking into people's houses and putting a gun to their heads to prevent Private Intoxication.
And you can show me where it says, "unless they believe that Pot doesn't harm their neighbors"
China is my proof of what happens when a country legalizes a hard drug.
And the US is my antithesis and just as valid a proof. The fact that China claims in public that it no longer has any drug abusers (now that it is a communist dictatorship) is not impressive in the slightest.
One could purchase heroin over the counter in 1900 in the US. It wasn't a big problem. It became so only after prohibition was enacted with heroin, cocaine and the like. The Pope used to drink an elixer containing Cocaine and swore by it. So did many Americans.
At any rate, this is a deflection on your part. Self-medication is an inherant right. You don't seem to want to disagree with that. Why not?
Wisdom is knowing God's word. Cross-reference between witnesses.
Ergo, if this Scripture forbids State Actions against Tares who are False Religionists, it likewise forbids State Action against Tares who become Intoxicated on Private Property.
This scripture along with others. Cross-reference.
There's NO evidence whatsoever in the passage which permits the division you are eisegetically attempting to draw.
The only thing I'm drawing is that Romans ordaines civil authority and there is no commandment against enforcing the law at a person's home.
As you say, "addiction" is a subjective term.
That's why we make drugs illegal, because they're too addictive. If they weren't so addictive, they could be legal like tobacco and alcohol. If ther weren't that many drug addicts walking around then there would've been no need for laws.
But Opium and Hashish were in use.
A lot of addicts?
Already answered. The State cannot set Speed Limits on Private Property, for that would be a Trespass. See NASCAR, for example.
The state can set limits on private property. Should gladiator games that guarantee death be legal?
Ba'al is one anti-christian fallen spirit; but the specific passage you referenced refers to an Event which happened thousands of years ago, in the Time of Elijah -- unless you are calling God a Liar.
Baal is antiChrist and the 7000 are for the end. The end is not yet.
Which means it is NOT a Future Prophecy. Which means you botched this one ridiculously.
As long as there is wars and rumors of wars, the end is not yet. We've had war for as long as history records.
Already answered. See #474.
When did wars end?
Sorry, there's nothing in Hebrews 8 which states that the Trespass Laws have been eliminated.
They were part of the old covenant and have passed away. You do agree that the old covenant has passed away, don't you?
The passage specifically concerns the Sacrificial Laws (see Hebrews 8:2).
No, it says the old covenant passed away. The new covenant is Paul's teachings. 8:2 says nothing about sacrifice.
Or do you believe that the Trespass Laws have been eliminated? Do you believe that you NOW have a Moral Right to commit Trespasses, because "the old covenant has vanished away"?
No, because civil law says not to.
But you just said that, if the State outlaws the Property, then it isn't Theft.
A state of God. Nazis obviously weren't of God.
So how was the Nazi State violating the Golden Rule against Theft, when it confiscated Outlawed jewish property? After all, You just said that it isn't Theft if the State outlaws the Property.
The Nazis laws violtated commandments and so weren't of God.
The State can't morally Steal someone's intoxicants? Or, you are saying that it's not theft if the State outlaws the Property?? Well, if that's the case... when Hitler's storm troopers invaded the Private Property of Germany's Jewish population and turned them out of their shops and homes -- were they just, y'know, enforcing the Civil Law against Jews owning private property?? How could they be violating the Golden Rule against Theft?? For after all -- as you say -- it's not theft if the State outlaws the Property??
See answer previous posts.
The constitution was written to favor the 'I' side ending up-right, exposed to the light, with the dark side facing down. Not a very common event historically among governments instituted by men. (Beyond my household, I have very limited knowledge of governments instituted by women).
Great thread. Sorry for the interruption. Is there any evidence to suggest that religions tend to be more favorable toward states? Just wondering.
Dunno.
So, let's see... You want them to define for you, according to THEIR determinations, what substances you will be permitted to consume... and to break down your door and put a gun to your head if you violate THEIR decision?? You're lying. You don't want that at all.
You KNOW that such behavior is a Violation of the Golden Rule.
What about Christian Scientists, who don't believe that ANY sort of conventional medicines should be used? Should they do to you that which you want to do to others??
OK, where does a person go when he dies?
Nonsense. Morphine is as addictive or more so than heroin. It is perfectly legal.
Until the kingdom of God comes, right. Jesus died on the cross and those that believed in Him had salvation. That started immediately when they died, or maybe even before they died.
That would indicate that the generation to which he belonged would not pass before the events he described would take place
Revelation speaks of the last days. The last days began with the crucifixion. Jesus said "It is finished".
Dunno.
You have got to be kidding. You have been arguing that it is OK to trespass on private property in order to enforce laws. You have said that you believe that the law must conform to God's law to be legitimate. Yet you have no idea what the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence says about government authority and from where it is derived?
What about the wars and rumors of wars. When did wars and rumors of wars end?
The Jews had no say. You can't allow someone to accumolate something and then just take it after he does.
Do you mean, by passing a law outlawing property, they were committing theft? Or do you mean that by removing outlawed property at gunpoint they were committing theft?
Both. They were not of God. The Jews had no say.
The Kingdom came when Jesus died and was Resurrected. Not when "they" died.
Revelation speaks of the last days.
It speaks of alot of things. What does this have to do with what Jesus prophesied in Matthew? That Prophecy was predicated upon the statement "this generation shall not pass."
I don't read what ignorant liberals say. Waste of time.
When did it say in Revelations that rumors of wars and wars would end for all time?
Why not? You believe that the US government can arrest people for accumulating property. What's the difference? In the case of the Nazi's they legally outlawed Jewish property ownership.
Both. They were not of God. The Jews had no say.
How have American's had a say in the matter of pot and other drugs?
When did wars and rumors of wars end?
No, we are currently in the first part of Revelation 20 ("the Kingdom is in your midst"), and the latter parts of Rev.20, plus Revelation 21 and 22, are yet to come. But Revelation chapters 1 through 19 are, for the most part, fulfilled.
So how many of the very elect will there be and what will they be doing?
Cite your cross-referential Scriptures and be absolutely specific.
Ergo, if this Scripture forbids State Actions against Tares who are False Religionists, it likewise forbids State Action against Tares who become Intoxicated on Private Property. ~~ This scripture along with others. Cross-reference.
Cite your cross-referential Scriptures and be absolutely specific.
But Opium and Hashish were in use. ~~ A lot of addicts?
Maybe, maybe not. They were in use, and God did not authorize State Action against private intoxication.
And you know it.
So... did God forget?
The state can set limits on private property. Should gladiator games that guarantee death be legal?
Demonstrate to me that this sort of thing would not be Murder. I have already demonstrated that the State may intervene to prevent Murder on Private Property.
Baal is antiChrist and the 7000 are for the end. The end is not yet.
You're calling God a Liar.
Paul said that this was God's answer to Elijah, thousands of years ago. Was God lying to Elijah??
Or do you believe that the Trespass Laws have been eliminated? Do you believe that you NOW have a Moral Right to commit Trespasses, because "the old covenant has vanished away"? ~~ No, because civil law says not to.
If your God-State didn't tell you not to Trespass on Private Property, would you have a Moral Right to do so?
The Nazis laws violtated commandments and so weren't of God.
But you just said that if the State outlaws the property, then it isn't theft.
Ergo -- when the Nazis Outlawed the jewish ownership of Property, how were they committing Theft when they confiscated the Property?
The Property in question was Outlawed by the Civil Authority, which had been democratically voted into Power.
So... when Hitler's storm troopers invaded the Private Property of Germany's Jewish population and turned them out of their shops and homes -- were they just, y'know, enforcing the Civil Law against Jews owning private property?? How could they be violating the Golden Rule against Theft?? For after all -- as you say -- it's not theft if the State outlaws the Property??
You have just called Flavius Josephus an "ignorant liberal." Congratulations.
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