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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Matthew 13:24-30 says nothing about "beliefs". It only speaks of not uprooting the Tares.

Wisdom is knowing God's word. Cross-reference between witnesses.

Ergo, if this Scripture forbids State Actions against Tares who are False Religionists, it likewise forbids State Action against Tares who become Intoxicated on Private Property.

This scripture along with others. Cross-reference.

There's NO evidence whatsoever in the passage which permits the division you are eisegetically attempting to draw.

The only thing I'm drawing is that Romans ordaines civil authority and there is no commandment against enforcing the law at a person's home.

As you say, "addiction" is a subjective term.

That's why we make drugs illegal, because they're too addictive. If they weren't so addictive, they could be legal like tobacco and alcohol. If ther weren't that many drug addicts walking around then there would've been no need for laws.

But Opium and Hashish were in use.

A lot of addicts?

Already answered. The State cannot set Speed Limits on Private Property, for that would be a Trespass. See NASCAR, for example.

The state can set limits on private property. Should gladiator games that guarantee death be legal?

Ba'al is one anti-christian fallen spirit; but the specific passage you referenced refers to an Event which happened thousands of years ago, in the Time of Elijah -- unless you are calling God a Liar.

Baal is antiChrist and the 7000 are for the end. The end is not yet.

Which means it is NOT a Future Prophecy. Which means you botched this one ridiculously.

As long as there is wars and rumors of wars, the end is not yet. We've had war for as long as history records.

Already answered. See #474.

When did wars end?

Sorry, there's nothing in Hebrews 8 which states that the Trespass Laws have been eliminated.

They were part of the old covenant and have passed away. You do agree that the old covenant has passed away, don't you?

The passage specifically concerns the Sacrificial Laws (see Hebrews 8:2).

No, it says the old covenant passed away. The new covenant is Paul's teachings. 8:2 says nothing about sacrifice.

Or do you believe that the Trespass Laws have been eliminated? Do you believe that you NOW have a Moral Right to commit Trespasses, because "the old covenant has vanished away"?

No, because civil law says not to.

But you just said that, if the State outlaws the Property, then it isn't Theft.

A state of God. Nazis obviously weren't of God.

So how was the Nazi State violating the Golden Rule against Theft, when it confiscated Outlawed jewish property? After all, You just said that it isn't Theft if the State outlaws the Property.

The Nazis laws violtated commandments and so weren't of God.

The State can't morally Steal someone's intoxicants? Or, you are saying that it's not theft if the State outlaws the Property?? Well, if that's the case... when Hitler's storm troopers invaded the Private Property of Germany's Jewish population and turned them out of their shops and homes -- were they just, y'know, enforcing the Civil Law against Jews owning private property?? How could they be violating the Golden Rule against Theft?? For after all -- as you say -- it's not theft if the State outlaws the Property??

See answer previous posts.

504 posted on 11/02/2002 11:13:37 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
That's why we make drugs illegal, because they're too addictive.

Nonsense. Morphine is as addictive or more so than heroin. It is perfectly legal.

509 posted on 11/02/2002 11:18:11 PM PST by Demidog
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To: #3Fan
Matthew 13:24-30 says nothing about "beliefs". It only speaks of not uprooting the Tares. ~~ Wisdom is knowing God's word. Cross-reference between witnesses.

Cite your cross-referential Scriptures and be absolutely specific.

Ergo, if this Scripture forbids State Actions against Tares who are False Religionists, it likewise forbids State Action against Tares who become Intoxicated on Private Property. ~~ This scripture along with others. Cross-reference.

Cite your cross-referential Scriptures and be absolutely specific.

But Opium and Hashish were in use. ~~ A lot of addicts?

Maybe, maybe not. They were in use, and God did not authorize State Action against private intoxication.

And you know it.

So... did God forget?

The state can set limits on private property. Should gladiator games that guarantee death be legal?

Demonstrate to me that this sort of thing would not be Murder. I have already demonstrated that the State may intervene to prevent Murder on Private Property.

Baal is antiChrist and the 7000 are for the end. The end is not yet.

You're calling God a Liar.

Paul said that this was God's answer to Elijah, thousands of years ago. Was God lying to Elijah??

Or do you believe that the Trespass Laws have been eliminated? Do you believe that you NOW have a Moral Right to commit Trespasses, because "the old covenant has vanished away"? ~~ No, because civil law says not to.

If your God-State didn't tell you not to Trespass on Private Property, would you have a Moral Right to do so?

The Nazis laws violtated commandments and so weren't of God.

But you just said that if the State outlaws the property, then it isn't theft.

Ergo -- when the Nazis Outlawed the jewish ownership of Property, how were they committing Theft when they confiscated the Property?

The Property in question was Outlawed by the Civil Authority, which had been democratically voted into Power.

So... when Hitler's storm troopers invaded the Private Property of Germany's Jewish population and turned them out of their shops and homes -- were they just, y'know, enforcing the Civil Law against Jews owning private property?? How could they be violating the Golden Rule against Theft?? For after all -- as you say -- it's not theft if the State outlaws the Property??

519 posted on 11/02/2002 11:30:21 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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