Posted on 10/18/2001 9:48:56 PM PDT by VinnyTex
2% co-payment on eternal psychotherapy.
My hope is that there on only 72 virgins and it never changes. The same 72 for all of them...and no action for eternity. Not exactly paradise...perhaps purgatory. Let them all be ice cold wenches.
Is that why many pediatricians won't perform circumsicions, and leave it to GYN's? Yeah, I thought so.
I never equated the two. Maybe you need to re-read the thread.
not even the same but there are some Christian uncircmbscribed men in Indonesia that are finding out just how horrific and brutal circmcision can be when done by religios zealots...the Muslim fanatics take the men into the woods and circumsize them then and there ..to make them "muslim" you know.....this type of circumcision I would compare to the slicing off of female genitalia..
Furthermore, circumcision in the old testament was a symbolic cutting of the foreskin - now it's almost complete removal of the specialized skin. Jesus did not promote the practice, hence the Catholic church does not require it to be performed.
And finally, why on earth should this operation be performed without consent of the person under the knife?? Babies can’t vote, that’s why. If a man chooses to have a circumcision done later in life then they can stuff a wine soaked rag in his mouth or use modern anesthetics. His choice. Do you think baby boys don't feel pain??
There is no medical reason to perform routine circumcision except that it's a money maker for the hospital/doctors. The practice is no longer recommended by the medical community, but only after pressure from men’s groups was applied in the form of lawsuits.
FGM is gross and detestable and is not on the same scale as circumcision. But that doesn't mean circumcision is okay. Go away and study the subject and get your facts straight and come back when you know what you're talking about!!!
I thought it was because women were forbidden to see male doctors. I could be wrong, but I believe that's why the process is done by women. That dirty vagina, doncha know? Men can't be asked to work on THAT! Besides, having seen the CNN video of the 10-YO being cut, it was plainly obvious that NONE of the women involved were excited to be there -- not the victim, not the 'surgeon', and not those standing by and watching.
I believe there is a legitimate purpose for tonsils, relating to the immune system. Tonsils are not removed anywhere near as often as they used to be, from my understanding. You might have suggested the appendix as a better example. As for the appendix, well, you got me there. But just because we might not be aware of the purpose of tonsils or the appendix, doesn't mean they don't have a purpose. I'm sure nobody knew what lymph glands did 200 years ago, but that doesn't change the fact that lymph nodes serve a purpose.
Gee, I dunno, maybe because it avoids hacking away at a baby penis?
Point of absurdity...if she's saying that it's inappropriate, (or worse, impossible) to make personal judgments, where does that stop? By her "logic," it goes into infinite regress, i.e. a proper response to her would be, who is SHE to judge those who judge somebody else's culture?
Thanks for the link.
???? What is a "symbolic cutting of the foreskin." Sorry it was circumcision then and it is circumcision now. No symbolism.
Jesus did not promote the practice, hence the Catholic church does not require it to be performed.
Jesus didn't mention it one way or another. If it was something so horrible I am sure he would have condemned the practice. And remember. He WAS circumcised.
And finally, why on earth should this operation be performed without consent of the person under the knife?? Babies can’t vote, that’s why.
So does this mean we can't slap babies on the face (or rear) to get them to breath? After all they haven't signed a consent form.
If a man chooses to have a circumcision done later in life then they can stuff a wine soaked rag in his mouth or use modern anesthetics. His choice. Do you think baby boys don't feel pain??
Not any pain that they can remember.
There is no medical reason to perform routine circumcision except that it's a money maker for the hospital/doctors.
Funny. I have known several adults who have had circumcisions performed precisely for MEDICAL reasons. The only thing they were upset about is that their folks were too clueless to have them circumcized soon after birth.
The practice is no longer recommended by the medical community, but only after pressure from men’s groups was applied in the form of lawsuits.
Sounds like yet another pressure group trying to cash in via the legal system.
Enough studies were done to prove conclusively that babies feel pain being circumsized, which is why it can no longer be done without anesthesia. As for you "not remembering" it....You are aware that some patients undergoing psychiatric care have been hypnotized or otherwise regressed to birth and even (supposedly) a month or so prior to birth. It is possible that at least some men circumsized w/o pain relievers were traumatized by this, even if they don't remember the pain consciously . In any case, I will take the word of the many health care professionals who did the studies as to the barbarism of the earlier methods .
Islam is the religion of Satan.
Would I marry a man of that faith? Don't bet your tutu, toots!
When my son was born, the hospital asked me if I wanted my him circumcized. I told them "absolutely NOT" and if they did it "inadvertently" they wouldn't be able to imagine the size of the lawsuit that I would bring against them!! If a man believes he wants to be circumcized, let him do it. I think God created him just fine.
Ignorance is bliss.
I guess my doctor must have missed.
Enough studies were done to prove conclusively that babies feel pain being circumsized, which is why it can no longer be done without anesthesia.
So now we know for sure that they don't feel ANY pain. Case closed.
As for you "not remembering" it....You are aware that some patients undergoing psychiatric care have been hypnotized or otherwise regressed to birth and even (supposedly) a month or so prior to birth.
Ah yes. The famous Roseanne Barr psychiatric regression. Is this the same "scientific" study where she found out that Baby Roseanne was molested by her father? As I remember Roseanne's father was smeared due to Roseanne believing in a quack.
It is possible that at least some men circumsized w/o pain relievers were traumatized by this, even if they don't remember the pain consciously .
You're pinning your evidence on an awful lot of unconcious feelings here.
In any case, I will take the word of the many health care professionals who did the studies as to the barbarism of the earlier
The same health care quacks who regressed Roseanne to her babyhood? Or perhaps the ones who regressed Shirley McLaine to her pre-birth life?
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