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Woke pope versus Maga: Leo’s culture war clashes have only just begun
The Observer ^ | Wednesday 24 December 2025 | Hannah Roberts

Posted on 04/13/2026 4:49:08 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Hours after Leo XIV became pope in May, Trump confidant and conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer posted a brief message on social media. It said: “WOKE MARXIST POPE.”

She was not the only member of the American right to immediately cast Leo as a culture war villain. Steve Bannon, a Catholic and former altar boy, called him the “worst pick for Maga Catholics” and described his election as a victory for “the globalists that run the Curia”.

You might expect Donald Trump’s Maga base to embrace the first American pope. His administration is stacked with officials who speak proudly of their faith, including vice-president JD Vance. But the criticism of Leo only intensified as he took up the mantle of his predecessor, Pope Francis, on the climate crisis, inequality and migration.

(Excerpt) Read more at observer.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: antipope; chicaco; frank2; illinois; maga; popebob; romancatholic; splintersectinrome; whatsleosfrnick; whatwouldpopebobdo; wwpbd
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To: dfwgator

True that, brother.

He was the real deal.


81 posted on 04/13/2026 7:33:23 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
No pope, no leader, even great ones - should be able to make war and decide the fate of millions unabated and unchallenged.

Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Jeremiah 25:
[26] And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
[27] Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.
[28] And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink.
[29] For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
[30] Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.
[31] A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD.
[32] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. [33] And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

82 posted on 04/13/2026 7:35:45 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: NFHale
My pope was a Polish guy that actually FOUGHT the communists.

He was an incredibly intelligent man.

If only the country listened to him 23 years ago, when he was going around the world for months shouting his head off to anyone that would listen that an attack on Iraq would be an absolute disaster.

SMH.

I mean, even President Trump at one time called out the war in Iraq as being a really stupid thing to do.

How does the "Greatest Country in the World" end up in these stupid foreign wars where we throw away blood and money for years on end?

83 posted on 04/13/2026 7:38:59 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("Justice exalteth a nation: but sin maketh nations miserable." – Proverbs 14:34)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The pope is surround by all the silver & gold and a huge wall and guards.


84 posted on 04/13/2026 7:49:06 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Making money now. Still want much more.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

All well and good for civilians, but that is not the responsibility that is laid on the shoulders of our military people.

The difference between a “just war” in your mind and the people you mention seems to be that a just war is one where you’ve FAILED your duty to protect.

IOW, it is morally wrong to protect. It is only OK to react.

But if you read in the Old Testament there is a responsibility to protect. For instance, if you know your bull has gored somebody and you let it out to gore again you are liable for bloodguilt. And there are many similar cases where the principle of anticipating dangers and protecting from them is commanded.

Even on a spiritual level - which is what concerns the Pope - God says if He gives the prophet a warning to speak and they refuse to speak it THEY bear the bloodguilt if the person/society in question remains in their sin and is punished for it.

We don’t just react. We have a positive duty to protect.

My pastor had a great sermon about that text about withholding a warning from God. He said he’d give us a choice as to which sermon he’d give, based on our answer to his question: he asked us whether we held more to the idea of the priesthood of all believers (that we all individually bear responsibility to speak God’s Law and Gospel), or more to the public ministry (that pastors & church leaders bear that responsibility). Most said priesthood of all believers.

So he talked to us about what it means to be a prophet - to get close enough to people in our sphere of influence to know their struggles and sins and to say to them the things they don’t want to hear. He said we all need to have somebody we are a prophet for, and somebody who is a prophet for us. And he said it might cost us the relationship.

After we were all thoroughly squirming he asked if anybody wanted to change their vote. lol. So then he gave us the other sermon. He said there are some people whose relationship we are just not able to risk. That is where it is a great comfort that we have PUBLIC PROPHETS. In the role of public proclaimer pastors and spiritual leaders can give general warnings for people to hear, that they might not be able to accept from anybody else. Those are the times when a person feels that the pastor is preaching right at them, with them in mind - saying what nobody else will say to their face. The purpose is to bring them to repentance so they can be restored and healed.

A seminar leader once talked about the 3 R’s of faith, that we need to train our kids in: Righteousness (how we are eternally saved), Resistance (How to withstand the devil’s lies), and Recovery (How to be lifted & restored by God when - not if - we fail) All of those things are the job of both individuals and of leaders. But when individuals can’t say what needs to be said because the relationship can’t handle it, that is when the church as a whole and its leaders need to step up and say the hard things.

That is the job of the Pope, for all the world’s Catholics.

Not to opine about what our foreign policy or war plans should be. Not to say we don’t need justice or even that justice is anti-Christian because it’s not “nice”. Not to say sin doesn’t matter because God loves you anyway - any more than a doctor would say cancer doesn’t matter or a counselor would say anorexia or schizophrenia don’t matter. Etc.

It seems to me that Pope Leo doesn’t understand what his call is. And that saddens me, because a messed-up, post-modern world needs clarity that they’re not getting. And souls will be lost because of it.


85 posted on 04/13/2026 7:57:18 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Captain Walker

How does it happen? Because we put bandaids on malignant cancer.

If we really wanted peace in Israel or the world we have to either convert Hezbollah to not be Hezbollah any more, or we have to eliminate them.

Trump is really good at whittling down to the crux of the matter. And those who like the status quo hate him for it.

If you don’t like the “forever wars” you have to be willing to get to the heart of the matter AND CHANGE IT.

Iran and her proxies are nothing but bad news. Either we effectively contain them or eliminate them. Or we let them brawl & start the fight back up whenever peace threatens to break out.


86 posted on 04/13/2026 8:02:52 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: MinorityRepublican

President Trump should handle this one with care and a bit of humility. There is nothing to gain in being right in the argument with Pope Leo.

Leftist are not going to listen. Rather making your point while respecting his office is the safest course.


87 posted on 04/13/2026 8:26:43 PM PDT by MagillaX
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To: MinorityRepublican
She was not the only member of the American right to immediately cast Leo as a culture war villain. Steve Bannon, a Catholic and former altar boy, called him the “worst pick for Maga Catholics” and described his election as a victory for “the globalists that run the Curia”.

The world desperately needs spiritual leaders NOT more political Marxist bullsh*tter elites.

88 posted on 04/14/2026 1:26:48 AM PDT by GOPJ (Oil was over $100 for three and a half years of Obama’s term without daily headlines - MSM sucks...)
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To: All

The Pope visited [an] Algeria mosque today.

Taking his shoes off to wander around.

Algeria was a Christian nation until Islam conquered through force, just like Europe now.

Christians have no rights now there.

Pope Leo hasn't even bothered visiting suffering Nigerian Christians.

pic.twitter.com/MHT46dDTAy

Tommy Robinson (@TRobinsonNewEra) April 13, 2026


89 posted on 04/14/2026 2:03:07 AM PDT by deks (America cannot be made great in complete isolation from the adversaries that are harming Americans)
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To: Captain Walker

Re “… How does the “Greatest Country in the World” end up in these stupid foreign wars…”

I’d imagine it’s because a certain mindset insists that we not be independent and take care of ourselves first, and that we have to the global piggy bank, global policeman, global sugardaddy, etc.

That ties us into everybody else’s problems.


90 posted on 04/14/2026 3:13:23 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: butterdezillion
The purpose is to bring them to repentance so they can be restored and healed.

Amen, Thou hast answered right:
91 posted on 04/14/2026 3:19:14 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The last few Popes have been disasters. Seems to codify the Catholic Church of late.


92 posted on 04/14/2026 3:49:24 AM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Pope is inciting a culture war.

He will get it.


93 posted on 04/14/2026 10:23:06 AM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: Da Coyote
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, the Pope was Catholic.

And at that time bears didn't break down the doors of outside entrance rest rooms of gas stations to use them.

94 posted on 04/14/2026 10:26:07 AM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: MinorityRepublican

The story going around when Francis was elected was that he was chosen to bring in the new Church members in Third World countries including his South America region.

Western trend of Catholic mass attendance even in Ireland was rapidly declining. Now the worldwide figures for Catholics have been up only due to the US and Europe figures being overcome by the increases in the other regions.

As he grew older, Pope Francis chose hundreds of officials who backed him and he set up a trusted group of finalists to replace him which included Leo as a comfortably woke leftist.


95 posted on 04/14/2026 10:33:29 AM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

You protest soldiers being effective, as well as hitting what they aim at? And still complain about collateral?


96 posted on 04/14/2026 9:08:44 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: butterdezillion

Even the IRGC and government supporters and allies have faith that we are attacking only military targets and doing so ably, or else they would not be having their own large protests in the streets. There are even videos of some of the government leaders giving interviews as bombs blow up military targets nearby, and just carrying on with the interview after ducking for a moment.


97 posted on 04/14/2026 9:13:44 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

I think it’s dangerous when we as human beings — especially if we identify as Christians — get numbed to statistics of dead children yes. Very, very, very slippery slope.


98 posted on 04/14/2026 10:47:47 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (🦋🌷🩰)
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To: butterdezillion
- OW, it is morally wrong to protect. It is only OK to react.

^ I don't believe that Iran was an imminent physical threat to the United States. Only that it was at a weakened juncture that some saw as fit to take advantage of. I don't believe that playing "hardball" with them always has to include war.

Even on a spiritual level - which is what concerns the Pope - God says if He gives the prophet a warning to speak and they refuse to speak it THEY bear the bloodguilt

^The pope is speaking on behalf of the innocent people in Lebanon - especially Christians, Catholic Christians - who are interspersed among Hezbollah targets through no fault of their own.

The purpose is to bring them to repentance so they can be restored and healed.

^ I pray that for Israel also.

But when individuals can’t say what needs to be said because the relationship can’t handle it, that is when the church as a whole and its leaders need to step up and say the hard things.

^ President Trump was arguably under tremendous pressure to give into the forces of war. I don't believe he is at peace with it and he has since demonstrated much more restraint despite all his memes and commentary. Trump has since been rebuked not just by pope, but by members of his own base who are willing to risk their reputation and their standing with him to be critical of his choices. They are the ones saying "the hard things"the President doesn't want to hear and bearing the cost...

It seems to me that Pope Leo doesn’t understand what his call is.

^ I hardly compliment Pope Leo, but on this - his calling is crystal clear. I praise God for his voice. And I know from Trump's response, that the pope's challenge has been highly effectual...Inconveniencing in the right ways.

I pray for God to work things out for the good of the people of Iran and their future in Jesus' name.

99 posted on 04/14/2026 11:09:12 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege (🦋🌷🩰)
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