And this is what HDOH calls a birth index:
There's not even a year date on the headings.
Posted on 01/22/2014 12:48:02 PM PST by iontheball
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You are a wise old soul...I keep forgetting that, they DON’T MATTER!
The marriage index supplied by the HDOH is about as useful as the birth index. Just lists of names, no dates, nothing.
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Not only that, it’s merely a printout allegedly from a database. A database which could be about as secure as the ones recently hacked for credit card information, or as secure as the passport files were, or as secure as the records that Snowden got his hands on. It is SO EASY to add a record to a database or EVEN a report BEFORE IT’S PRINTED. You don’t even have to change the underlying database. You print the report to a file, you edit it (adding or deleting or changing what you want) and then you print it out and substitute it wherever you please. If you modify it AFTER it’s been generated, then there’s no audit trail showing that you did ANYTHING to the underlying database. Computer people will know what I’m saying.
I think it’s safe to assume she knew what-ever Abercrombie knew, and he saw something; so that when he went back for it as he promised he would, it either wasn’t there any more or it was something so incriminating, he decided it was better to look stupid and say he couldn’t find it.
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What I meant was that Fuddy would know about the registration or lack of registration for births or adoptions in the leper colony. She would also perhaps know about how birth certificates may or may not have been provided for those kids when they were adopted. She could have learned about this from her stepmother and then later through working in the HDOH herself. As the mayor of that quasi-county and head of the HDOH, what strings wouldn’t she be able to pull? She would also perhaps know that the HDOH created late birth certificates or entirely new ones for these children, later in their lives when they needed identification (if they did). What I’m saying is that it’s a “system” that would be easy to misuse in order to get documents for someone who needed them, especially if you’re the right person in the right job at the right time.
What you write there makes a lot of sense, it’s an avenue that certainly would have been available to be exploited. It does need to be considered. It does leave the question though, why was his (zero’s) application for a birth certificate lodged on the 8th of August, which is the same date that the Virginia Sunahara death announcement appeared, and his number (41) is four out of sequence with the Nordyke twins’ 37 & 38.
The obvious way for that to happen was for the Wahiawa Hospital births to be registered and numbered in a batch after the Kapiolani Hospital births were entered.
Verna K Lee made it clear that the entries were made in batches at the end of the month. I always thought that was odd. But so be it.
It looks like Virginia’s number was a Wahiawa birth, and the number 41 would have been hers. What happened to HER birth certificate? Why does she have a number 429 digits past her birth date? Why won’t or can’t the HDOH give her brother a copy of her Long Form BC?
And this is what HDOH calls a birth index:
There's not even a year date on the headings.
What would be the motivation for forging an undergraduate night school registration transcript?
If anyone wants to drop by the Office of Public Records at the University of Washington, fill out the forms and wait or come back for a hard copy, they can get the records.
Request a University of Washington Public Record
How do I make a public records request?
Email, write or fax asking for the records you would like to receive. All requests must be in writing. If you are unable to write, please contact us by telephone or in person and we will assist you with this task. Your request must include the following information when you make a public records request:
Contact information – your name, mailing address and telephone number. Feel free to include any other information you may feel to be useful, such as your e-mail, fax or cell phone number.
A description of the specific records being requested. The request must be specific enough for the university to be able to identify the records being requested.
Please let us know if you like copies of the records or if you would like to come to our office to review them.
“Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham was enrolled at the University of Washington for:
Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962
The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.”
Madolyne Lawson
Office of Public Records
206-543-9180
Talk to David. He knows all the details.
http://pamelageller.com/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html/
Atlas reader Rudy emailed both the University of Washington and the University of Hawaii, and they sent him back dates of enrollment. It didn’t match the dates Wikipedia had for Stanley Ann Dunham. Bob tried to update Wikipedia and his updates got deleted within minutes. The big question is how was Ann having Barack in Honolulu in Aug 1961 AND enrolled at the U of Washington the same month?
When public record information from the University of Washington was added to Wikipedia’s biography of Stanley Ann Dunham (Barack Hussein Obama Jr’s mother), it was removed in 35 minutes the first time and 34 minutes the second time. Read what Obama’s team of internet thugs doesn’t want you to know.
See official emails from U of Hawaii and U (see below)
I’m concerned with the unlikely dates:
Sept 26 1960 First day at U of Hawaii for Ann (Why did she start 6 weeks late?)
One month later – conception
Two months later – drops out of University of Hawaii
Three months later – married
10 months later – back in Washington attending classes at University of Washington
These are implausible dates, and may imply that Ann got pregnant in Seattle and THAT is why her family moved to Hawaii. University of Washington records place Stanley Ann Dunham in Washington State in Aug 1961 so how could she be in Honolulu 2680 miles away birthing Barack the same month.
When public record information from the University of Washington was added to Wikipedia’s biography of Stanley Ann Dunham (Barack Hussein Obama Jr’s mother), it was removed in 35 minutes the first time and 34 minutes the second time. Read what Obama’s team of internet thugs doesn’t want you to know.
EMAIL:
“The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 – Summer 1966
Fall 1972 – Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 – Summer 1992
Degrees awarded:
BA – Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)
MA – Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)
PhD – Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)
Sincerely,
Stuart Lau”
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Stuart Lau
University Registrar
Office of Admissions and Records
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Ph: (808) 956-8010
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And this:
Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham was enrolled at the University of Washington for:
Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962
The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.
Madolyne Lawson
Office of Public Records
206-543-9180
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Are you beginning to get the picture? The obama-machine doesn’t want to acknowledge the Seattle interlude because it conflicts with the myth. Mr & Mrs Obama lived in Hawaii as a happy little family until zero was two years old and he abandoned them to attend Harvard. Another problem: the kenyan left Hawaii in June, 1962. I’ll leave it to the resident genius to tell us how old that made zero.
Nero, you’re a smart cookie, you know that going back over old ground that we covered in 2008 just stalls the conversation.
It’s ping pong. You’re good at it. And boring.
IIRC, someone went to the city library (either Honolulu or Seattle, can’t remember which) and took a pic of one of those city directories.
Pic was posted on FR; not sure which thread.
As I said, I suggest dropping by U. of W and picking up a hard copy.
Do you really think that it took weeks to get from Honolulu to Seattle, even back in 1961?
I doubt that the Obama administration cares at all what some people think of the Dunham-Obama family unit’s status 53 years ago. Last time I looked both Honolulu and Seattle are in the United States.
How fleeting is the fame on FreeRepublic, Ladysforest knocked herself out and gets forgotten?
My my, how feeble. You are NOT worth your hire. The Freaking Zero administration cares a great deal with keeping the myth intact. That is obvious even to the casual observer who doesn't much care.
Your troll status is duly noted by all. But what a pantywaist feeble troll you are.
You do it. I'm sure they'll only be too happy to supply you with a photo ID of Anna Obama, who Charlette identified as Stanley Ann Dunham. Should be a cinch.
I doubt that the Obama administration cares at all what some people think of the Dunham-Obama family unit’s status 53 years ago.
They just stick to the 'Dreams' narrative, they have to. It's all there is. The rest faked, lost or sealed. Seattle never appeared in 'Dreams' - as far as they are concerned, there was no U of WA period. Finding Anna Obama must have sent them into a tizzy.
Last time I looked both Honolulu and Seattle are in the United States.
Really? You coulda fooled me.
Somebody got hold of the hardcopy and took the pic.
I recall it was the one looking at an angle; it looks like the one upthread.
Many thanks, Fred! That’s the one,
and I remember someone here saying “ladysforest took the time to go all the way to Hawaii and take a pic and post it! “
Do you really think that it took weeks to get from Honolulu to Seattle, even back in 1961?
Not all all, but what does take weeks if not months is to enroll at a University and get your name into the local directory for 1961.
Allowing for her to have a baby on August 4 and attending the first semester that commenced September 25 isn't a big deal either. Stanley Ann Dunham didn't have a baby in Hawaii and she wasn't Anna Obama, whose child was already seven months old in August.
That fake attendance record starts a week before first semester commencement. How did she manage that, I wonder?
I suggest you read her report at the link I supplied, and then there’s this:
How about you go somewhere far away and very dark where you’ll be appreciated? Your continued interjection with items from the narrative of ‘Dreams’ and exuses from obotville could be harmful to my computer.
I might end up throwing a shoe at it.
Thanks again (again :) )
Found a comment by ‘mike’ that ties in the 1971 0 SR visit with the Lolo-sado marriage cert copy pull of July xx 1971.
Has to do with adoption.
Here’s the comment:
Mike on February 14, 2011 at 10:44 am
I did some checking around in regards to Obama Senior’s visit. It seems it was a ‘month long visit’ in December of 1971 and part of January 1972. There are photos from that period at the airport and a Christmas photo with SAD and the two BHOs.
Remember Obama II and SAD/SAS came from Indonesia on Pan Am flight 812 on October 21st in 1971. Apparently the goal of the trip was hand off Obama II to the grandparents. But maybe the international adoption created a problem and the father or named father needed to make an appearance to undo the Soetoro adoption.
See this link and see the section ‘Correcting the Adoption’
http://theobamafile.com/_family/Senior.htm
This creates a strong legal reason for the 1971 visit by Obama Senior.
Also of interest in this section is an interesting observation – the use if II vs. Junior. I never thought of it before. But the tradition of II is to name someone for someone who is not their son. It is almost a declaration – this is not my biological son. In looking into this more in detail it is the custom to use II vs. Junior when naming someone who is not a child of the one named.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffix_%28name%29
“The suffix II is used when the child has an identical name to a relative, but who is not the child’s father.”
So that would support that BHO Sr. was a stand-in in 1961.
If Obama was adopted by Soetoro and the possibly legally adopted again by his grandparents in 1971 then you would have 2 layers of legally sealed records to get through. Adoptions are the worm hole of the legal system. You go in end as one name and out the other as another name. And the previous records are legally erased, sealed or hidden. And the standard purpose is clear – prevent the previous identity from being used or abused or re-entering the legal system. ‘Privacy’ is interesting but the legal system does not want a person with two completely different identities floating around.
Adoption or multiple adoptions also explain why some say – there is no long form. Adoption(s) would shred that original document in a legal sense since it is sealed. If that long form from Hawaii, Washington, Canada or Kenya? Who knows but if there were adoption is it true gone – by design and legally. Hence why Mr. Abercrombie (and no one else) can find it!
Fred, I went and read it, and this is what struck me, the analysis of the custom at the time, of always putting the “Mrs.” in front of the name.
Here’s the analysis, for whalebone whip and his/her fellow members of the freeper “class of 2014” :)
Keepin’ Em Guessing
UPDATE: I looked up as much on the history of Polks as could easily be found online. In the mid fifties the Polks had just the single year range, example: 1955. Not 1955-1956. And the copyright (print date) was for that year. Example, Polk City Directory 1955, copyright 1955. The data was collected as a result of canvassing.
The Polk Co. did have computers installed (1958-1959) and by 1961 they were used for data compilation of automobile VIN numbers, and for direct mail campaigns. I could not find any indication that the canvassed City Directory info was processed in any way with any computer system in use by Polk Co. at that time.
When you look through the Polks I have recently posted, you notice that married women are listed as Mrs.. It was unthinkable to do otherwise back in the early sixties. Especially for a young girl who is JUST married and pregnant.
The Honolulu HI, Polk directory listing for obama’s mother, printed for the time range 1961-1962, shows obama, Ann, S (WND image)
Here is a crop of my own copy of the Ann obama Polk listing :
The Seattle Washington Polk directory listing for obama’s mother, printed for the same time range, 1961-1962, shows obama, Anna, Mrs.
Well, aside from the spelling in the Seattle Washington Polk for (Stanley) Ann being “Anna”, we also should note that she did not self identify as a “Mrs.” in the Hawaii Polk.
Quite unusual as she had a shotgun wedding at three months pregnant, presumably to legitimize her condition. That was the way it was done back then.
So, here we have a girl who is a teenager, who is pregnant with a virtual stranger. Who is pregnant by a man of a different race – a huge social issue, even for the most forward thinking back then.
She gets a fast wedding, goes so far as to list herself in the Polk under her married last name, but not as a Mrs.
Goes so far to list herself with her bright and shiny new name, legitimizing her baby-on-the-way, but stubbornly refuses to list herself and her brand new husband at the same address. Even if it was only done for the sake of appearances – you know, just like getting married.
Goes away almost immediately after being released from the hospital (a week on average back then). Travels all the way to Washington with a new little baby, then she does list herself as a Mrs..
The other little question that I have with the Polks is that the 1961-1962 Polks have been published exactly when? According to the WND article on it, they were “likely” published in September 1962. Well, I guess it somehow makes sense to publish a directory that contains info that is already over a year old. That would mean the Polk in Hawaii wasn’t even published until a year after Ann(a) S. moved away.
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