Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
That Philippines reference is from an INS memo from April 1964: “After alien stated he was married, he said he was separated and that they may get a divorce. The wife in the Philippines from whom he is separated is a USC.”
The divorce decree was issued in March. Whether Obama Sr. had heard about this by April I don’t know. In the divorce, the court approved service of process of the petition on Obama Sr. by registered mail return receipt, and Obama Sr. did sign the receipt, which is in the divorce file. But he never filed an answer to the petition nor did he make any appearance in the proceeding.
I suspect what prompted Stanley Ann to file for divorce was her growing relationship with Lolo Soetoro, the Indonesian. I think it unlikely that Stanley Ann would have the divorce petition served on Obama Sr. out of the blue. There was probably a letter to him telling him to expect a divorce petition and telling him that she was dating a man from Indonesia.
Obama Sr. probably mis-remembered this as the Philippines when talking to the INS about her and he may have been under the impression she and her new man were going off to his home country.
Consider the August 1961 communications Obama Sr. had with the INS. He told them Stanley Ann was attending Washington State University that semester. But that’s not where she was attending, she was attending the University of Washington. Obama Sr. couldn’t even be troubled to remember what college she was going to, this woman who supposedly had just given birth to his baby.
I think when he gained his doubts about whether he was the real father of the baby, from that point forward he could not have cared less about what she or the baby were doing, at least until years later.
As to where she had the baby, I don’t know. The shenanigans surrounding the birth certificate do suggest to me the cover-up has something to do with place of birth.
Did she go alone and pregnant to see his parents in Kenya (unaware of his wife and children there) in order to enlist them on her side? I don’t know.
Did she go back pregnant to the Seattle area or some other place in humiliation, and was cared for by relatives, perhaps relying on the generosity of Canada to cover the expenses of childbirth? I don’t know.
The Bomford document is clearly a forgery, and personally I doubt that any information on it was derived from viewing a real Kenyan birth certificate for BHO II.
The latest Arpaio press conference proved that anyone could easily obtain a birth certificate saying "born in Hawaii" even if the child was born elsewhere, or some time ago. So, if SAD and BHO were the parents, there would be no need for a forgery, even if Zero were born elsewhere. Or, if SAD was the mother and another man the father, the forgery would not have needed to mess around with her name, only the father's. Yet her name is messed with - layers - part ball point pen and part fine tip marker, which did not exist in 1961. So, if she was the mother, and a "fake but real" birth certificate could have been obtained no matter where the birth took place, there would have been no need to forger a b.c. with her name on it. Her name would have already been on a birth certificate.
ROTFLMAO! What crazy speculations - pretzel contortionism! Oh, btw - which Lolo? There are several photos of at least two different "Lolos" on the other long thread.
She appears to have just gotten progressively fatter for the next 30 years before she died of cancer. Likely the standard American diet(*) which is killing everyone now.
(* Yes, she ate from State Dept catering and Marriott room service when she was overseas.)
Except there would have been a problem if Grandma Toot had filed a birth certificate saying “born in Hawaii” and had listed it as a home birth at the Dunhams’ address.
The problem is that there was another family living in that house with the Dunhams. The daughter in that family has already said she doesn’t remember any baby there.
If they were relying on such a birth certificate, the story of where he was born would fall apart as soon as any reporter or investigator talked to that other family.
That would give a motive for forging the birth certificate to show it as a hospital where lots of babies were being born, it wouldn’t matter if no one remembered him and privacy laws would protect the records from prying eyes.
So has every other Freeper.
Just because it is posted on scribd doesn’t mean it’s true. From my casual observation, most of the details match claims made by Sven Magnusson, which have almost universally lacked in documentation and corroboration.
For example, why would Barry as a child reject his citizenship — which would have had to be done before he entered third grade in Indonesia? I doubt he had the reasoning skills to be able to understand citizenship issues at that time. Regardless, the State Department will ignore childhood citizenship decisions and defer to citizenship oaths made at the age of majority.
And is there any reasonable scenario where Catholic Social Services of Connecticut gets involved? None of the adult decision makers surrounding BHO jr. had any known relationship with Connecticut. Has anybody shown any documentation that supports this contention?
I know the Bomford birth certificate has been widely agreed to be fraudulent. However, the similar document portrayed in this video seems more authentic (e.g., the names on the document represent real people who had relevant roles in Kenya).
The theory is that SADO went through two hospitals and this document represents documentation of her admission in the second hospital. Your thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lar_bth5NOI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I wonder what ‘evidence’ you have seen then?
No hospital records for Stanley Anne registering at the hopistal where they claim she gave birth
Travel records that seem to be at odds with a VERY pregnant Mom or very recent mom
What evidence have you seen that PROVES rather than disproves that Stanley Anne is his mom?
AND WHAT KIND OF IDIOT NAMES HIS DAUGHTER ‘STANLEY’
Lefties in the sixties were fond of going to Canada to have their babies. Has anyone search hospital records north of Seattle?
A Canadian birth could fit with SA’s appearance in Seattle at her friend’s place with a new baby whose diaper she didn’t know how to change.
But my point is there would have been no need for the forgers to forge in the name of the putative mother. It would have already been on a document. It was forged in recently, that’s been proven.
Except many of us do not agree that the nudie photos of are SAD. Been taken apart pretty recently. A few things - brow ridge/slope different, upper lip length very different, chin shape different. Ears different. Hair line different.
If, under my theory, Stanley Ann was off who-knows-where having the baby and Grandma Toot filled everything in and submitted the form, then Grandma Toot may not have done a good job of mimicking Stanley Ann’s signature in that box and the forger later decided it was better to copy in an actual signature of Stanley Ann so that it would match her signatures on other documents in case anyone tried to compare the signatures.
Also, it is possible that Grandma Toot put a different name in that box - it calls for “signature of parent or other informant” and there is a little box to the right for checking whether it is the parent or just an informant. Perhaps in the original the box was checked for “informant” instead of parent and it was Grandma Toot signing as informant and Grandpa Stanley signing below that as attendant, or vice versa.
It should be obvious that any evidence which supports a claim that Stanley Ann is Barry's mom inherently REFUTES a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barry's mom and would be appropriate for this thread.
The inverse, i.e., any evidence which refutes a claim that Stanley Ann is the mom, SUPPORTS indirectly a claim that Valerie Sarruf MIGHT BE Barry's mom, and I haven't seen any such evidence on this thread. Only evidence that specifically points to Valerie Sarruf as the mom can help construct a coherent narrative leading to conclusion that she could be the mom, and there has been no such evidence posted on this thread, yet, that I have seen.
You are missing some key possible motivations for the White House forgery.
Yes, Barry could have obtained his 2007 issued COLB by filing a registration of an original or amended birth event attested to by witnesses and/or “evidence” at any time up to and including 2007 with all of the information shown on that COLB.
But what FReeper Danae showed was that she could obtain right up until 2011 a certified image of her original 1961 LFBC. THAT is NOT something that can be ginned up at any time after the original 1961 period, which Barry has led everyone to expect should be the case.
Barry backed himself into a corner by leading people to expect an LFBC EXACTLY LIKE the Nordyke twins LFBCs. The twings BC's showed Kapiolani as the hospital and had specific registrar and MD signatures appropriate for 1961 that couldn't be obtained for an after the fact HI registration...without resorting to forgery.
According the the Arpaio Posse research, the LFBC is 100% an electronic construct compiled from elements that were forged or cut and pasted from who knows where, but that pdf DOES NOT EXIST as a paper document anywhere.
Therefore speculation about how Stanley Ann's signature was forged or whether it appeared or in what form on an original 1961 HI LFBC can NOT be based on the White House pdf image, IMO.
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