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Justice Thomas: 'The court is 'avoiding' the Natural Born Citizen question.
CSPAN ^ | April 15,2010 | CSPAN

Posted on 04/16/2010 7:23:33 AM PDT by penelopesire

A curious thing happened in the Supreme Court budget hearing yesterday. Rep. Joe Serrano went on a long monologue about 'diversity' in the court and even said he would be glad when the day came, that a Puerto Rican could be president...to which Thomas replied that the court was avoiding that question. Nervous laughter ensues and the topic is quickly dropped. I'd like to know what my fellow FReepers think of the exchange.

It happens around the 1:13-1:14:10 mark in the video. It would be great if someone could isolate that exchange and put it on YouTube so everyone could hear it without sitting through the entire hearing.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: article2section1; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; citizen; citizenship; clarencethomas; eligibility; ineligible; justicethomas; kenya; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; nbc; obama; scotus; supremecourt; thomas; ussupremecourt; usurper
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To: little jeremiah; penelopesire

30+ strange Social Security numbers, hmmmm???


201 posted on 04/17/2010 9:30:24 AM PDT by danamco (")
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To: Faith
Just ask Bill Cunningham of WLW in Cincinnati who dared to utter the legitimate middle name of the Dem nominee. And there was McCain, rebuking him soundly for supposedly embarrassing the candidate.

McSnakeinthegrass was gotten to and was there not to win the race but to run interference for Hussein. It was evident when he said we didn't have to be afraid of Hussein. It was obvious at the time and is even more so now what the game plan was all along.

202 posted on 04/17/2010 9:36:12 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: little jeremiah; OafOfOffice
By acting like scared rabbit eunuchs, it will be much, much worse than bringing it out in the open and finding the truth. So much worse.

I start wondering if today's spoiled American people ("American Idols, etc.") have the cojones to do something about it???

If unemployment raises to 20%+ and foreclosures continue to rise, then maybe yes. Tea Party, I'm not sure either!!!

203 posted on 04/17/2010 9:37:40 AM PDT by danamco (")
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To: OafOfOffice; penelopesire
Toot's funeral, "grandmother" of an elected "Resident" seems very strange to me???

But natural that's a tin foil hat issue!!!

204 posted on 04/17/2010 9:44:07 AM PDT by danamco (")
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To: penelopesire
Thomas had tried to explain to her that it wasn’t for the court to decide on the pool of applicants that were submitted to the court for clerkships, etc. and that most members welcomed a diverse pool,etc.

How sad it is that it takes a Supreme Court Justice to explain how this stuff works to not just a sitting Member of Congress, but someone who for years worked for an earlier Member. The whining from all these lefties, it reminds me of how Hollywood was lauding and congratulating Halle Berry and Denzel Washington receiving Oscars, all that *color barrier has been broken* hyperbole, no one ever bothers to point out to those yahoos that THEY are the ones who choose nominees and then vote for the winners, not the whole of our society.

205 posted on 04/17/2010 9:57:10 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: bgill

It was obvious by July ‘08 that he was throwing the election. McCain in that sense is worse than 0kaka, and every single Repub that helped get him in as the candidate - I’m meaning “leadership”, not those of us who had to vote for him, 0kaka or a spoiler - are absolutely guilty as hell.


206 posted on 04/17/2010 10:11:57 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: danamco
What is the something? I think about this all the time. I truly think the military would only go after Obama if he started genocide. I think everything else is considered party politics.

Obama is a wuss. If they said we are coming to pick you up for treason he would run. If they caught him he would be a limp noodle. He is only strong because he has commie thugs to support his every move. If anyone talks about a gvmt takeover, they become Timothy McVeigh.

In some parts of the valley unemployment is 40%. I was going to look up El Centro's rate because they said it was unemployment capital of the United states. Right on the border tell you anything?

What is the something? Somehow stop revenue going to Obama's agenda? If everyone said NO MORE! I no longer volunteer to pay taxes. If the majority stopped paying what would happen? Obama coule not survive. He could no longer borrow either because he could not make his interest payments. 48% pay no taxes so they would be on Obama's side. If even 30% stopped paying Obama would be done.

Just yesterday one of the talk show hosts was saying as everyone is getting more desperate, Obama is flying in Master Chefs from all over the world. And I still want to know how Obama made 5.5 million since he took office. He said everyone must sacrifice as he rolls in the money and lives off of the people.

207 posted on 04/17/2010 10:26:30 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: OafOfOffice; BP2
Anyone living near Kansas can look at the microfiche for birth records too.

When I do genealogy, it pays to look at the surrounding counties. Were all the surrounding counties to Wichita searched? Was Stanley in the army in 42? If he was, then Ann could have been born where he was stationed.

Nothing but gut feeling, but the Oklahoma records need to be looked at. On I-35 between Wichita, Kansas to Oklahoma City and across to Tulsa.

208 posted on 04/17/2010 10:29:17 AM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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To: bgill

She was born (according to the stories) on an Army base at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.

Since you do genealogy, have you tried looking for Stanley Ann in your favorite websites?


209 posted on 04/17/2010 10:34:10 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: kyright; danamco; penelopesire; Safrguns

Well done, kyright! 187 posts to get to the crux of Thomas’ statement. They aren’t “avoiding” the issue, they’re “evading” the issue. Big difference. Justice Thomas knows the difference and he doesn’t speak without thinking. He knew exactly what he was saying and what he wanted to convey.

IMHO, SCOTUS has to have the “right” case, which they haven’t seen yet. They also may be holding out until after the 2010 elections to see the makeup of the new congress.

If they make a mistake with a dem majority in congress, 0bama stays in office, packs the supreme court (as FDR threatened to do) with loons and the country is, at that point, lost.


210 posted on 04/17/2010 10:43:33 AM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: mojitojoe; Safrguns; BP2; Candor7; little jeremiah
They all looked very uncomfortable when he said it, lots of shifting around in chairs and pained looks on their faces. A very odd statement and very odd reactions. My take on it is that they all know, they are just going to wait it out and hope he loses in 2012 and they don’t have to deal with it.

It's the 800-lb. gorilla in the living room.

211 posted on 04/17/2010 10:43:44 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: penelopesire

Pretty obvious it’s an inside joke - They know Obama is not a natural born citizen.


212 posted on 04/17/2010 10:49:25 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one... Luke 22:36)
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To: kyright

evade = dodge


213 posted on 04/17/2010 11:18:40 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Danae
Is Puerto Rico a State? Enough said.

It does not need to be a state for it to be part of the United States of America. Lots of places aren't states but are still part of the US. The federal district for instance.

You'll look pretty silly arguing that the National Capital is not part of the nation.

214 posted on 04/17/2010 11:37:51 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato; Danae
It does not need to be a state for it to be part of the United States of America. Lots of places aren't states but are still part of the US. The federal district for instance.

If you've visited the District of Columbia and walked its original perimeters, you can find the boundary stones set in place once every mile. Look along Western Avenue, Eastern Avenue, and Southern Avenue, where the District of Columbia borders the State of Maryland. I know that along Eastern Avenue, you can still find stones with "Maryland" carved on one side, and "Jurisdiction of the United States" on the other. The stones also had the date "1791" carved on them.

http://www.boundarystones.org/

"In 1791 and 1792, Andrew Ellicott and his surveying team placed 40 boundary stones around the perimeter of the District of Columbia, one at each mile of the original diamond shape. They laid the first stone, the south corner stone, at Jones Point on April 15, 1791, under the guidance of Benjamin Banneker. According to legend, "Banneker fixed the position of the first stone by lying on his back to find the exact starting point for the survey ... and plotting six stars as they crossed his spot at a particular time of night."

"From there, Ellicott's team embarked on a 40-mile journey that took nearly two years. They created the boundary lines of the capital by clearing 20 feet of land on each side of the boundary and setting a uniquely marked stone at each mile interval. On each stone, the side facing the District of Columbia displayed the inscription "Jurisdiction of the United States" and a mile number. The opposite side said either "Virginia" or "Maryland," as appropriate. The third and fourth sides displayed the year in which the stone was placed (1791 for the 14 Virginia stones and 1792 for the 26 Maryland stones) and the magnetic compass variance at that place. The stones along the northwest Maryland boundary line also displayed the number of miles they fell from NW4, the first stone placed in Maryland. Stones placed at intervals of more than a mile included that extra distance measured in poles. "

215 posted on 04/17/2010 11:44:46 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: STARWISE; Canedawg; BP2; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; little jeremiah; El Gato
That's what I have said all along. Bill Clinton faced it and went "underground". The Race Card is the most sharp weapon they have, and they know how to use it effectively to intimidate including the guys and gals in black robes, critters, SRM and radio/TV talking heads!!!

Hopefully all Constitutionalists here on F.R. will still proudly stay above the fray???

216 posted on 04/17/2010 11:56:15 AM PDT by danamco (")
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To: OafOfOffice
What is the something?

I would think the different posts on this issue is code words for second revolution or similar to what happened in Honduras last year???

217 posted on 04/17/2010 12:13:38 PM PDT by danamco (")
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To: danamco

What would a revolution be in a country the size of the US? I know you don’t have all the answers. Just wondering what people think it would be like. I think people would be killed and imprisoned. Obama would say they were racists,nutjobs and UnAmerican.

It would also fulfill one of Obama’s dreams of depopulation. I could see people not involved being imprisoned and killed. Never let a crisis go to waste, get out there and get those people who opposed me.


218 posted on 04/17/2010 12:27:11 PM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: El Gato
Is an American person born in Puerto Rico, of American Parents, whose family tenure in Puerto Rico dates back to the American occupation in 1898, a "Natural Born Citizen."

Maybe. Maybe not. That is a very tough legal question. Take a gander at the precedents of the Insular Cases. If the American legal system has a twilight zone, it's in Puerto Rico! Unfortunately, The SCOTUS is an appeals court and cannot just favor us with learned opinions on this, and the eligibility of fellow rumored to be a dual citizen of the UK and US moving into government housing without proper documentation.... unless someone makes a case and gets it up to them with all the right seals and ribbons attached.

219 posted on 04/17/2010 12:48:36 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama. He'll bring back States' Rights. In the meantime, this ain't gonna be pretty.)
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To: OafOfOffice

Ah, so she was (supposedly) born on an army base. Perhaps her bc was “destroyed” when the FBI supposedly “destroyed” Stanley’s records. Has anyone searched the birth records in Leavenworth County and surrounding counties or over into IL or MO?

Sorry, far too often when I’m on an eligibility thread my puter goes goofy. Explain that... Anyway, just got back on. Here’s all I know - The latest Census released was the 1930 but I don’t have access to that one but here’s what the 1920 shows on the family:

1920 Census - 300 block (my best guess) of N. Walnut St., Wichita, Sedgwick Co., KS:

Christopher C. Clark (Stanley’s grandmother’s father) - 74 - widow - born MO/father born MO/mother born MO - worked in oil fields
Harry Armour (Stanley’s grandfather) - 46 - IL/IL/MO - auto mechanic
Gabriella (nee Clark) Armour (Stanley’s grandmother) - 41 - MO/MO/KY
Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham (Stanley’s father) - 26 - KS/KS/KS - owned a shop
Ruth Lucille (nee Armour) Dunham (Stanley’s mother) - 19 - IL/IL/MO
Ralph Dunham, Jr. (Stanley’s brother) - can’t read age - KS/KS/IL
Stanley - 1 - KS/KS/IL

Just an observation - in present day, about a block over from Walnut is Schottler auto shop.

Also of note, Stanley’s mama’s side came from Illinois. If someone has access to the 1930 Census for Kansas, they might find Stanley living with relatives since mama had died/suicide.

And the Ralph Waldo Emerson influence might be where this family got their leanings.
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1920 Census - Peru City, Chautauqua Co., KS

January 3:
Rolla C. Payne - 27 - single - Main St. renting - KS/MO/OH - bookkeeper - Prairie Oil and Gas office

January 7:
Leona McCurry - 22 - single - Merchant St. boarder with Francis Floyd family - KS/IL/TN

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There is another Rolla Payne of about the same age up by Ft. Leavenworth.
January 16:
1920 Census - 400 block (my guess), S. Sycamore St., Ottawa, Franklin Co., KS
Rolla Payne - 25 - first marriage - owns house - KS/MO/KS - boiler worker at round house
Rena Payne - 25 - KS/KS/KS - grocery store bookkeeper


220 posted on 04/17/2010 12:52:54 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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