Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms date accepted and date filed on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms Date accepted by the State Registrar and Date filed by the State Registrar referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of Oahu or on the neighbor islands of Kauai, Hawaii, Maui, Molokai, or Lanai), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of Oahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the Date filed by the State Registrar is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obamas Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
Wrong again. That wasn't my premise.
Kind of a blur...LOL
Yummy hospital food, breast feeding so no alcohol. And of course brand new mommy at age 20.
To be honest I was freaking out!
Good idea.
I think I’ll just keep asking for the apology he owes me and the communications he says he received from Okubo a while back but refuses to post.
Given that he said the communicaton directly contradicted what Okubo said in this e-mail, I would think this would be the best time for him to come forward with it. Or at least the date and approximate time he made the communication.
A bit ironic that he says I’m making stuff up.
Two slightly different statements:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen
the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.
I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago....”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
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Fukino: “have seen the original vital records”
“and is a natural-born American citizen.”
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vital records is purposely vague .. and I don’t
believe she, as a state agency employee, has the
judicial authority to pronounce Constitutional
eligibility clearance for a POTUS, unless so
questioned officially from a legal/govt entity
under oath.
AND
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obamas original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.”
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
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Fukino: “have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obamas original birth certificate”
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which does NOT give specific rendering of specific
qualifying detail of type/origin of birth certificate.
Yes, I understand that things come in stacks and multiple clerks grabbing a handful of numbers as they need them, but this is different. As was said before you can’t have a number that falls before the date it was filed.
Back in my day, before the digital age there was one stamp. One stamp. Only just the one stamp. The reason for that is so there wouldn’t be mess ups where numbers were skipped or duplicated. Babies are a bit more important than cars. Documents came in and they were time and date stamped. With the one stamp. Sure, back at the place of origin they could have been stacked and accumulated until Friday or it was in the mail for a few days. That’s fine for the received (or accepted) stamp, but that’s not the problem with the COLB. We need to look at the information at the time it was FILED.
Then when it was filed (or recorded), it was given a number again from one stamp and only one stamp. One clerk manually stamped it. One clerk would file it on it’s particular page and index it - in numerical order.
Ok, say only two births came in that week. One was filed on Wednesday and numbered 37. Regardless of the when the second one came in (the day it came in doesn’t matter if it was the same day or a month before because we’re only concerned with the file date) it was filed on Thursday. What number would it get? 24? Uh, nooooo because 24 would have been assigned to a birth many days before. The only number it could have would be AFTER the one that was filed previously.
I don’t take orders from people that are on drugs.
10. I’m sorry, but the idea that Obama’s certificate sat forgotten in a Department of Health clerk’s office until AFTER the Nordyke twins’ certificates were stamped with a number seems unbelievable to me
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Hey, old *uckeye just throws crap and hopes some of it sticks.
That is not how I filed and recorded births.
He’s an Obot, fishing for information. The more we give his, the better prepared they are to stop efforts to expose him. What they do NOT realize is that all of the really good stuff the investigators have is never posted on the open forum.
In the particular scenario that you mention, which is only one of my theories, the hospital registrar signs Obama’s cert on the 8th and puts it in her outgoing box. It sits there along with any others she was able to sign as completed. Then on the 11th, she signs and stamps the twins’ certs and tosses them on the top of the stack in her outbox.
At some point, maybe the same day, she takes the whole stack from the outbox and slips it into a package to be mailed or couriered to the county/state registrar’s office.
A clerk at the state registrar’s office takes the paperwork out the envelope, package, whatever and plops the stack in her incoming tray. Obama’s cert from the 8th is near the bottom of the stack. The twins’ certs from the 11th are at the top of the stack. The clerk starts processing the paperwork from the top of the stack. Thus the twins’ certs get assigned numbers before Obama’s cert.
He and Lugar (along with Fatty Gibbs) were
detained a few hours when they were in
Russia .. passports taken.
It would’ve been a senatorial passport, but
still interesting to consider what the Ruskies
know.
It wasn’t an order. It was an invitation.
That is a member of the military. On a US Military Base Hospital. Wanna bet that is the case in all US Military Base Hospitals? Kapiolani is not a US military hospital on a US Base. Neither is Queens. Either way, explain my long form has a different date between when my dr signed it and it got accepted and filed. Explain the military birth date differences from a poster replying to me up thread. Explain why there is no embossed certifying seal on the dupty’s signature. Explain why there is no “witness” statment anywhere on the thing. Because they weren’t witnessing anything. Hey were noting that a document had entered a state office. The dr. Was verifying the birth. There was no one verifying that the dr was verifying the birth.
You lose Eggie.
I think you’re probably right that the hospital/local registrar’s signature wasn’t attesting to the doc’s signature.
Could be waiting a while....
Yes quite a while. I thought blog pimping was frowned upon at Free Republic.
1963?
Did I miss seeing a cert?
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