Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms date accepted and date filed on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms Date accepted by the State Registrar and Date filed by the State Registrar referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of Oahu or on the neighbor islands of Kauai, Hawaii, Maui, Molokai, or Lanai), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of Oahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the Date filed by the State Registrar is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obamas Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
You’ve mistaken a dribble for a fumble. You keep missing this part of the citation: “... so long as he remains in it, as a duty upon him by the mere fact of his residence and that temporary protection which he enjoys ...” This acknowledges temprorary allegiance, not permanent allegiance ... you know, the kind that made Wong a citizen, but doesn’t apply to Obama since his papa was not a permanent immigrant ... and because his mama was possibly an expatriate and definitely not a permanent resident of the United States.
I can't believe you have yet to figure out that you will never personally touch a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate. I do not want to personally touch it. Quit shifting the argument to something it's not. I DO want Obama's "birth certificate" to appear in Court as a "prima facie" FACT, which it never, ever has. As such, HRS 338-13(b) and 338.19 has never been "activated." YOU and the rest of the After-Birther foolishly and mistakenly put your TRUST in internet-based prima facie, originating from LIAR-in-Chief Obama with a very dubious Chain of Custody on its way to another LIAR, Nancy Pelosi at the DNC Convention in August 2008.
The JUDGMENT and TRUST of yourself and all of the other After-Birthers is highly, HIGHLY misplaced.
A LIAR lies, both AFTER and BEFORE the Election.
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Argggg! Look at the Indiana decision again. Same thing. If you are born in USA you are an NBC. The “law” since at least 1608.
parsy
“Many a truth is said in jest, little boy”
Yes! I jest a lot.
parsy, who is glad you noticed!
I stand corrected. A Swiss dude who speaks the language of cheese eating and surrender monkeying.
parsy, who keeps forgetting where Vattel comes from
It’s about all you have.
You really don't know how to comprehend what you read do you. You also neglect to address the fact that WONG swore an allegiance to the US & signed a promise to return in order to obtain the required papers he needed to show immigration upon his return. This is called citizenship by consent which is the definition of citizenship under the laws of nature.
I won't hold my breath that you actually comprehend this concept though since DRONES are incapable of this level of intelligence.
The allegiance may be temporary. Amen! And the Wong court says that is enough to make an NBC. Finally you GET IT!
parsy, who just slam dunked you again....
Bringing an ORIGINAL document to court has consequences that supersede giving a putative copy to a third party -- such as a news organization.
Deceiving a court with a fraudulent document would be a big no no... Yes?
Whether it would "satisfy" birthers, ant-birthers, or the dog catchers of America, is irelivant... it would "satisfy" the law: in that it would be a legally introduced piece of evidence.
Why the Obama administration doesn't do just that is anyone's guess.
STE=Q
True. You are correct. That is why Wong was a citizen. His parents were here and
“owe[d] to that country allegiance and obedience to its laws so long as he remains in it, as a duty upon him by the mere fact of his residence and that temporary protection which he enjoys, and is as much bound to obey its laws as native subjects or citizens.”
That is what takes them out of the “ambassador” exceptions——and what makes their bouncing baby Wong, AN NBC!
All you are doing is driving nails in your own foot. You are stuck. You have the language right. You get it. NOW, put it into context with Wong. That allegiance and obedience, NO MATTER HOW SHORT IN DURATION are enough to make little NBCs!!!!
parsy, the hungry Drone who is wolfing down his salad....
It is supported by multiple official, double-checked statements from Hawaii officials, Hawaii law, OIP Opinion letters, DOH Administrative rules, and posted birth certificates.
If that’s not solid evidence, then what would you consider solid?
And how do you feel about the fact that the FBI told me three times that they don’t investigate document fraud? Or the ombudsman’s response that they can’t investigate because there are crimes involved?
Did you bother to read the UIPA Manual which was linked in “Red Flags”? Did you bother to read the OIP Opinion Letter which showed that the process to find out whether a denial of access is proper begins by the OIP attorney actually seeing the document in question - and the statement that UIPA only applies to records which exist? That’s right in that OIP letter.
Compare that OIP Opinion Letter with what Tsukiyama and Joesting sent Terri K and you will see that the responses that they gave are confirmation that the document exists - since you CAN’T give a UIPA denial for a record which doesn’t exist.
I’m not going to waste time arguing with you though. Anybody who is capable of seeing will see; those who refuse to see won’t see no matter what I put in front of them.
We all get the same amount of information the same way. You don't trust it. Other people do. Awesome. Ain't democracy a wonderful thing? Well, Wiggie, since the words "democracy" appears neither in the Declaration of Independence nor the US Constitution of the republic, I'll just chalk up that statement to your own lack of understanding of the law and your flawed, Progressive interpretation of it. Please compare your After-Birther notes with Parsifal's "understanding" of the Constitution and miscellaneous legal interpretation.
YOU have BLIND FAITH in LIARS. It's that simple. PLEASE ... prove me wrong on this. Rate the integrity & honesty surrounding the Chain of Custody of Obama's "birth certificate." Answer the following honestly ("1" is LOW, "10" is HIGH):
Rate the integrity & honesty of Obama's Rate the non-partisanship of FactCheck.org Rate the integrity & honesty of Nancy Pelosi and the DNC?
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Even the CDC’s standard birth certificate in effect today doesn’t use the term “African” - and Alvin Onaka was one of the people who contributed to the recommeded certificates. Those who are in the EVVE (Electronic Verification of Vital Events)System - including Hawaii - have standard protocols for reporting on vital events, such as birth. That’s one reason the CDC has recommendations for electronic vital statistics: to make the reporting uniform across the country.
But it’s a waste of time to point things out to you. The claims you supposedly heard from your “friend” have been proven from actual birth certificates to be a lie.
I am amazed that you have the audacity to show up here again.
You’re still ignoring the fact that the DOH has now TWICE confirmed that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery.
It’s a waste of time talking to you. I suggest to everyone here that we just don’t even respond to Ender again; he can talk to himself and get as much original thought as he’d allow into his brain if we discussed with him for a millenium.
F-
Good post.
I think he’s just farting in our general direction, hoping to make the air hazy enough that innocent bystanders can’t see the truth.
In reality, he’s the one who can’t see the truth, and as long as his “ender” goes wherever his brain goes, nothing we say could ever clear things up for him. lol.
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