Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
ROFL, parsy has wikipedia JD!
Now that is seriously funny.
You’re absolutely correct.
Yes, I've seen birthers claim this. Unfortunately, the claim is just not true.
The tsunami was reported to be heading for the east coast of Oz at 8.15 am our time...it’s now midday and nothing, thanks for asking.
I’ve given source after source after source saying that a denial of access to a record is confirmation that the record exists. I think on obamaconspiracy.com I gave over 15 different documents which all agreed on that.
At obamaconspiracy.com the entire group came up with a total of zero documents saying otherwise.
So cite your sources. Let’s get to the meat of this claim. YOu can’t just say the claim is true and expect any reasonable person to believe you unless you’ve got sources that trump the 15+ that I’ve given to document the claim.
Should have been, “You can’t just say the claim ISN’T true and expect any reasonable person to believe you unless you’ve got sources that trump the 15+ that I’ve given to document the claim.
Interesting, but who wrote it? And when.
parsy, who is curious
IIRC, you asserted that multiple vital records indicated that Obama must have an amended birth certificate and you further asserted that “filed by registrar” meant that his amended certificate had not yet been accepted by state and was probably pending approval. I believe you used Nevada’s documentation to support that claim, correct?
My point to Danae was that Okubo responded to someone’s direct request for index data on Obama’s amended certificate by saying that there were no records that met the request. And the birth index data showed only one entry for Obama.
Incorrect information should absolutely be corrected.
I have a standing invitation for anybody to correct any incorrect information I’ve given. Ender Wiggins tried but unfortunately for him, the official written government sources I have as well as the observable birth certificates speak for themselves in support of my claim, which was from the horse’s own mouth.
Other than that, I don’t remember anybody challenging the facts of my claim - just Parsy saying I should rearrange them to suit the format he wants and others saying this is a stupid subject and just talking about this makes all conservatives appear stupid, or that I’m wasting my time.
It’s well and good to discuss those things, but if what I’m saying is true - and nobody has been able to come up with evidence to refute mine - then we’re talking about Obama using an internet forgery because the genuine COLB would show up the fact that he has no prima facie-quality documentation in Hawaii. We’ve got Factcheck participating in the forgery and the entire government of Hawaii participating in covering up the forgery. In the meantime we’ve got the media ridiculing the issue after Obama’s lawyers threatened them with annihilation if they reported seriously on the issue.
Would you say those are serious issues?
thanks for that update, I still don’t believe a word that woman writes or is quoted as saying, and I’m sticking to the opinion I have formed over a long period of research - there is no evidence of Stanely Ann Dunham being physically in Hawaii, just as there’s no evidence she graduated from Mercer Island high school in 1960.
Stanley Ann Dunham may have married Lolo Soetoro (or Sutoro) in Hawaii, Barack Hussein Obama may have married SOMEONE in Hawaii, but without DATES OF THE MARRIAGES, nothing will convince me they were MARRIED TO EACH OTHER.
Does that mean that Hawaii’s refusal to release the long form, could be justified under HIPAA? I mean there is all that medical info on there-—weight, height, doctor, etc..
If so, why hasn’t Hawaii used that reason, unless there is no long form and any refusal to release under HIPAA guidelines would be fraud by Hawaii if there was no medical info to be released.
In effect, you would have negative confirmation of no Hawaiian birth and the HDOH’s silence on that issue is proof.
parsy, who was just thinking
CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D. DIRECTOR Phone: (808) 586-4410 Fax: (808) 586-4444 _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.” ###
Index data has nothing to do with making an amendment to your birth certificate. They mark up the original birth certificate with any amendments made so there would only be the one original entry for an amended BC.
His commentaries on American law were published in 1791. There are 3 Volumes.
Wilson wrote to Washington in hopes Washington would select him to be the 1st Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, however Washington chose Jay & I concur that Jay was the right choice at the time.
The index is for the event. For instance, if you ask for index data for BHO II what you get is this:
Obama II, Barack Hussein, male, birth
He could have a delayed BC, Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, amended BC, etc, and the index data would still only say “birth”.
I’ve asked for index records for all the different categories of birth records possible and the only answer I’ve ever been able to get back from Okubo is that they are forbidden to reveal anything.
That’s when I realized that the only way I was going to get anything indicating the STATUS of the birth record was by seeing the actual document. The administrative rules allow any person to receive someone else’s abbreviated birth certificate (COLB) as long as the copy is not certified. So I asked for that, showing the DOH that the disclosure they are trying to say they can’t make is actually authorized to be given to ANYBODY WHO WANTS IT.
Until recently, birth certificate number and date of birth were actually REQUIRED to be released in the index data. And the non-certified COLB being available to anybody shows that the status of a record is not some great secret. The COLB is required to contain note of late filing or of amendments. And if the original birth certificate is incomplete they can’t even print a COLB. The proper response for such a request would be that no records exist.
I believe that was the situation Obama was in back in 2006. He could not get a legitimate COLB printed because his birth record was incomplete. So he added the item that was missing, only to find that the COLB would have to note that addition - which would reveal that his original BC was never handled by a doctor.
And THAT would have substantiated the speculation going around at that time - that Madelyn Dunham had filed a birth report because Ann was somewhere else and couldn’t do it for herself.
So he opted for a forged COLB placed online so he could trick most people while being able to claim that he never did the forgery or approved its posting.
“...so we don’t look like idiots.”
~~~~
Last I looked, there was no memo in
my inbox declaring you the arbiter of
idiocy here.
Regarding Pakistan ...
While the subject of an outright travel ban
there in 1981 is the subject of debate
minutiae, it was hardly the carefree garden
spot in the world that a foreigner would
leisurely visit casually in that time.
Great civil unrest and martial law were the
realities.
He was apparently ‘well connected’ to yet another
fellow traveler from a wealthy and prestigious
family there, whom no doubt would have been
well protected, but hardly your typical jaunt
abroad in that timeframe.
~ ~ ~
March 1977 General elections; massive victory by Bhutto’s party evokes widespread rioting and protest
July 5, 1977 Martial law proclaimed
September 1978 Mohammad Zia ul Haq becomes President
April 4, 1979 Bhutto hanged
March 4, 1981 Provisional Constitutional Order, which in effect suspended 1973 Constitution
August 12, 1983 President Zia announces that martial law will be lifted in 1985, (Martial Law under General Zia-ul-Haq 1977-1985)
HISTORY OF PAKISTAN
http://www.cybercity-online.net/history.html
*snip*
In July 1977 Bhutto was deposed by Gen. Zia ul Haq and martial law was again imposed. On Apr. 4, 1979 Bhutto was executed after being convicted of complicity in the murder of a political opponent. In 1981 a presidential advisory federal council known as the Majlis i Shura was established. In Dec. 1985 Martial Law was lifted ...
http://www.atlapedia.com/online/countries/pakistan.htm
Would you have actually pondered taking a
vacation there in that chaos and unrest then
without those special and unusual foreign
connections in high places?
Interesting .. that his life, the parts of which
we’ve been allowed to know, seems to be
literally filled with these characters.
Ok, so now you're quoting WIKI as your argument for Obama
and his status as a British Subject. Tsk, tsk
After giving you multiple direct quotes from Wong Kim Art
v US, and proving that you have neither the legal scholarship nor
interpretive abilities of a first year law school drop-out,
you've shown your understanding on this is nil.
Everyone who has read this thread is now just a little dumber
because of your nonsensical blathering.
It's patently obvious that it is YOU who has not read
Wong Kim Art v US.
SO please demonstrate your knowledge on Wong Kim Art or any
other case law of your choosing, or return back to the
DailyKOS peanut gallery from whence you came.
Thank you. I agree that we have bigger mountains than England.
parsy, who has a vital spirit.....
I’m not convinced that the Hawaii DoH is covering for Obama as much as they are covering up their own corruption. They’ve defrauded the government for decades.
And to be clear, when I speak of incorrect information, I’m referring to birther claims that have been debunked over and over again.
My challenging your particular claims was to get freepers to consider that there could be other plausible explanations because all too often birthers turn suspicions into fact.
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