Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link

orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

[SeattleBruce]

So what’s the deal? Hillary’s been sitting on the original? What in the world?
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Maybe, it wasn’t readily available. Maybe the people that had it were waiting for the highest bidder. Maybe the figured that wasn’t Hillary. Maybe they waited too long and now it’s becoming available.

Who knows...is it authentic? Who owns this document? Does Taitz have this document?

[penelopesire]

Of course...lol.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

I love WND. =]

[AmericanVictory]

Yes indeed.

[real_patriotic_american]

Obama’s Kenyan B.C. here may have been used for when his parents got divorced in 1964 (maybe).

[Diggity]

Guess that explains how she got to be Sec of State.

[nathanbedford]

If it is clearly found that Obama is ineligible and the Dems refuse to remove him instead of trying to control the damage, there will be a revolt. The military clearly will not follow his orders. If the powers to be refuse to remove him the people will. Somebody will got up to him like they did to Nixon and give him a choice. Pardon will be his only hope and he will step down in return for that, which I find extremely distasteful. His secretiveness is evidence of knowledge of wrongdoing.

The impeachment of Bill Clinton teaches us that the barometer whether or not a president will be removed has not to do with the justice of the cause but with the president's approval ratings and that in turn has a lot to do with the state of the economy.

I am not as clairvoyant as you are, I do not know what the military will do much less the people who might or might not take to the streets, I only know that we have recent history of the impeachment of Bill Clinton to instruct us and the lessons seem to run the other way.

You state the question: "If it is clearly found that Obama is ineligible". But there is the rub, who is going to find ineligibility? Such a finding cannot come out of the air, it cannot be rendered here on Free Republic, the military -that would be the most dangerous of all, if it is to be done it must be done by a court, the Congress, or simply the moral weight of public opinion. In other words, you had Judge Sirica pushing Watergate. You have Sam Irwin's committee pushing Watergate. You had the Washington Post and the rest of the press pushing Watergate. There is simply no institution available to us except Free Republic and a few stalwart patriots who will press the issue and we have not the power to force the evidence open. The problem is who? In my previous post I stated what I thought it would not be the Congress and not be the courts. That leaves you and me.

[dalight]

It's doesn't belong there until it is authenticated.

WND has done some basic authentication, this thread has done deep reasonability checks against open source information. And, it is real enough for Orly to commit to a month in Europe reconfirming to make certain, but yea.. this is good enough to say, there is reasonable doubt in the anti-birther narrative and thus is Drudge and Hot Air material today.

[NoGrayZone]

"but not legally lying. "

Covering their butts. I do believe they know what's coming.

[politicalmerc]

I suppose this is old ground but : definition means born in US to two US citizens. Not quite accurate... I think born of two US Citizens is enough.... Particulary when one is serving the US Military for example...like McCain's father was...

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I'm not going to get into a protracted fight over it with anyone, but being born on US soil to Aliens is enough to make you a Natural Born Citizen. See US v. Wong.

Chester A. Arthur, President was born to William and Malvina Arthur in 1829 or 30 (there is some dispute). Malvina was born in Vermont but at the time citizenship of a woman was determined by marriage to her husband. She was married to William Arthur who was an IRISH citizen and did not obtain his US Citizenship until Chester was 14 years old.

I don't want to argue with the "two US citizen" people here, I'll agree to disagree with you. History is on my side: Chester A. Arthur was a first generation American who became President without challenge.

Just for kicks in US v. Wong 169 US 649 (USSC 1898) on page 655 you find the justice discussing English Common law which it was determined by this case was the basis for and explanation of Natural Born Citizen. The actual quote from US v. Wong p. 655 is:

"The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance—also called 'ligealty,' 'obedience,' 'faith,' or 'power'—of the king. The principle embraced all persons born within the king's allegiance, and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual,—as expressed in the maxim, 'Protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem,'—and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance; but were predicable of aliens in amity, so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens, were therefore natural-born subjects. . . ." Emphasis added by me.

Clearly the decision of the US Supreme Court in Wong states that Children born in England, of such aliens, were therefore Natural-born subjects. . . The Court goes on to assert that this English Common law is what governs the interpretation of Art II of our US Constitution.

I will not get drawn into a fight over this. If you disagree I'm ok with it. Just posting for your information.

[Blu By U]

What if —

umm Is there any proof that she was pregnant? The whole thing sounds really strange. What if she just picked up a baby in Mombassa complete with fraudulent birth records, etc. Someone or some group placed this baby with her, and others in her life to raise him.

[Scanian]

Precisely...typical weasly Dhimmi.

[perchprism]

I hope you’re right.

This morning I was a wee bit too animated over this and made the poor decision of trying to shift a tote with 140 lbs of rice under my house. I wrenched my back. It also had catfood and 20 lbs of sugar. Getting prepared.

[justiceseeker93]

No one can prove anything with a photo.

True enough. But it passes the initial smell test: the text and typing fonts are consistent with the era, and the language is consistent with British usage of the era.

[Diggity]

She has already done that or she would face disbarment for knowingly presenting a document as fact in a suit when she was not sure of its authenticity.

John

[2harddrive]

I believe that some Kenyan officials were BRIBED to release the thuth - the evidence.

[dalight]

What do you think the chances are they have been asked to sit on it for a bit for the sake of national security?

Not high. They may have been asked to sit on the fence or suffer grave consequences, but no one would buy the National Security angle.

[Ahithophel]

"the more the American public will doubt his edibility"

We're not cannibals.

Yes, but still it's a dog eat Blue Dog world out there.

[rodguy911]

Only WND is covering what we are here,but is hard to find a site that does not have some BC info stories. That includes Ace of spades, Hot air,Green footballs, Huff and Puff--(Lou Dobbs) and Pajamas just for a quick review.

It's true however, we usually are way ahead of the game here at FR.

[real_patriotic_american]

If Obama’s parents were married in February of 1961 and his father was already married, that would constitute bigamy. Bigamy is illegal in Hawaii and legal in Kenya. Thus, it’s legally logical to assume that Obama’s mother was in Kenya and gave birth there.