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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
I suppose this is old ground but : definition means born in US to two US citizens. Not quite accurate... I think born of two US Citizens is enough.... Particulary when one is serving the US Military for example...like McCain's father was...

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I'm not going to get into a protracted fight over it with anyone, but being born on US soil to Aliens is enough to make you a Natural Born Citizen. See US v. Wong.

Chester A. Arthur, President was born to William and Malvina Arthur in 1829 or 30 (there is some dispute). Malvina was born in Vermont but at the time citizenship of a woman was determined by marriage to her husband. She was married to William Arthur who was an IRISH citizen and did not obtain his US Citizenship until Chester was 14 years old.

I don't want to argue with the "two US citizen" people here, I'll agree to disagree with you. History is on my side: Chester A. Arthur was a first generation American who became President without challenge.

Just for kicks in US v. Wong 169 US 649 (USSC 1898) on page 655 you find the justice discussing English Common law which it was determined by this case was the basis for and explanation of Natural Born Citizen. The actual quote from US v. Wong p. 655 is:

"The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance—also called 'ligealty,' 'obedience,' 'faith,' or 'power'—of the king. The principle embraced all persons born within the king's allegiance, and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual,—as expressed in the maxim, 'Protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem,'—and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance; but were predicable of aliens in amity, so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens, were therefore natural-born subjects. . . ." Emphasis added by me.

Clearly the decision of the US Supreme Court in Wong states that Children born in England, of such aliens, were therefore Natural-born subjects. . . The Court goes on to assert that this English Common law is what governs the interpretation of Art II of our US Constitution.

I will not get drawn into a fight over this. If you disagree I'm ok with it. Just posting for your information.

1,750 posted on 08/02/2009 9:48:58 AM PDT by politicalmerc
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To: politicalmerc
OK....Lot's of discussion ahead...

I think we accuse the Democrats of knowing this all a long and working hard to cover it up !!!

then trumpet loud and long that the Democrats are doing what they always do...lie to get what they want....

Same thing they are doing with the Health Bill !

And the Cap and Trade bill!

2,000 posted on 08/02/2009 10:52:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: politicalmerc

The term natural born citizen was first codified in writing in colonial reference books in 1758 in the legal reference book “Law of Nations.”

That legal reference book was used by John Jay, who later went on to become the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Jay had the clause inserted into the Constitution via a letter he wrote to George Washington, the leader of the Constitutional Convention. Jay was considered the outstanding legal scholar of his time and he was the one is responsible for inserting that term into the U. S. Constitution, which was derived from the Law of Nations.

John Jay wrote: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work — The Law of Nations — applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.

The Law of Nations was so influential in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the U. S. Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.

Many have said that de Vattel’s Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the U. S. Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel’s Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the U. S. Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel’s Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding U. S. Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the U. S. Constitution used for the inclusion of the “Natural Born Citizen” phrase. It nails what is meant by the “natural born citizen” phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution.

It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Obama, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the U. S. Constitution Section 1 Article 2.

“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN.”


5,343 posted on 08/03/2009 10:27:10 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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