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Pitts: About the Confederate battle flag, remember this: Nazis have a heritage, too
The Salt Lake City Tribune ^ | 3 March 2008 | Leonard Pitts

Posted on 03/03/2008 10:37:49 AM PST by Rebeleye

They will tell you the Civil War was not about slavery. Remind them that the president and vice president of the so-called "Confederate States of America" both said it was. They will tell you that great-great grandpa Zeke fought for the South, and he never owned any slaves. Remind them that it is political leaders - not grunts - who decide whether and why a war is waged. They will tell you the flag just celebrates heritage. Remind them that "heritage" is not a synonym for "good." After all, Nazis have a heritage, too.

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To: Racehorse
And the Union having answered the question on the battlefield by force, the SCOTUS answred it in law:

Just another bad precedent, like so many others, that would be overturned if more than 5% of the people in this country had a clue about the Constitution as it was originally intended.

121 posted on 03/03/2008 11:41:00 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Men fight well when they know that no prisoners will be taken.)
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To: ichabod1
That’s part of the reason blacks and whites get along better in the South.

Unless them black folks got uppity, of course, and wanted to vote or use a different drinking fountain or date a white woman. Then they didn't get along well at all....

122 posted on 03/03/2008 11:41:34 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Badeye

Sounds like the Democrats today.

Only they want to surrender and allowing us to fall under dhimmitude.


123 posted on 03/03/2008 11:42:36 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“The South is still an agrarian society. The whole life there is based on growing seasons, which you just can’t rush.”

We southerners can often be observed with a sprig of grass in our mouths, or with a wad of chewing tobacco in our mouths.

Our slow manner of speech belies our slow and simple minds.

Why, we just marvel when someone as educated as you shows up to teach us the mysterious ways of the world.

Now, ‘scuse me and let me see if I can go out and get my mule to plow a few more acres so I can get to the tradin’ post in time to get some new strings for my banjo, and refill my lightin’ jugs.


124 posted on 03/03/2008 11:42:38 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: pcottraux

Also that Ulysses S. Grant owned slaves.


125 posted on 03/03/2008 11:43:08 AM PST by Southerngl
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To: Rebeleye

3. that in “their cause,” “they” were other people, who are now long dead — not any one of us in America in the real here and now.

...and get on with leading a redeemed life, like all of us need to.


126 posted on 03/03/2008 11:44:28 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us." Duncan Hunter knows.)
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To: Rebeleye
I recommend any southerner proud of the "CSA" on his ancestor's gravestone to dispense with the battle flag and instead sport one of the other Confederate flags.

The "Grievance Groupies" and "Race Pimps" don't know enough history to recognize the "Bonnie Blue Flag", for instance.

These would-be Atticus Finches don't care about slavery in Africa, do they? At least they never mention that it still exists. And the chronic outrages of ethnic cleansing and genocide. That's part of African "Heritage," too.

127 posted on 03/03/2008 11:45:12 AM PST by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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To: Non-Sequitur
You'd be surprised:

I would not. :-)

In an earlier post, I mentioned that New England had on at least two occasions threatened to secede.

Obviously, the journalist's opinion held no sway in the South.

128 posted on 03/03/2008 11:45:22 AM PST by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: Badeye

What do you mean?? Isn’t everyone from the North angelic while all us southerners are just downright EVIL?


129 posted on 03/03/2008 11:45:38 AM PST by Southerngl
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To: Emperor Palpatine
That stars ‘n bars flag to me just symbolizes rebellion and treason against the United States.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There is more treason in the Congress and in the media today than ever existed in the South during the War of NOrthern Agression -- unless you want name wanting to be left the hell alone as treason.

By the way, do you consider those who started our War of Independence to be traitors?

130 posted on 03/03/2008 11:46:17 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20 (Smart burglars would be lining up up at the unemployment offices.)
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To: r9etb

That was just a misunderstanding.


131 posted on 03/03/2008 11:46:38 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren
The swastika was American long before any Confederates were thought of...It was the NSDAP that ruined it.


132 posted on 03/03/2008 11:46:58 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: Racehorse
Obviously, the journalist's opinion held no sway in the South.

It did at the time. "Bad for thee but not for me," is the Southern mantra I guess.

133 posted on 03/03/2008 11:47:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion; snuffy smiff; slow5poh; EdReform; TheZMan; Texas Mulerider; Oorang; ...

Dixieping


134 posted on 03/03/2008 11:47:37 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Non-Sequitur

It’s amazing how every section disbelieves in the right of secession when it’s not their section threatening to secede. The fact that the Hartford Convention was threatening secession DURING a time when the country was in a life-or-death struggle with the most powerful nation on earth probably contributed some to the hyperbole of the editorial you cite.


135 posted on 03/03/2008 11:48:10 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Men fight well when they know that no prisoners will be taken.)
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To: King of Florida

‘I note everyone here bashing Pitts doesn’t even attempt to refute any of his arguments.’

I don’t take the man seriously enough to bother, having read way to much of his stuff over the past few years.


136 posted on 03/03/2008 11:48:40 AM PST by Badeye (Give McCain the same level of support he gave Conservatives like you and I)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Ciao Emperor,

I am not familiar with the case but what is done in right after a war, in the heat of passion is one thing and what is done 150 or 1500 years later, when, despite all the bickering of the armchair generals, the matters have been amply transcended is quite another. There are neighborhoods full of Fascist style architecture in Rome and in a way, though not my favorite style, it’s perfectly fine (and most of it is a sight better than a lot of the socialist-communist stuff bult later). IMHO it would be a damned shamed to knock them down over politics, trying to hide every single trace of a twenty year period that at least in the beginning, had everyone enthralled. Better the visual reminders. Real victories, with all the healing, forgetting and forgiving are a matter of transcending, more than eradicating.

I’m not really all that aware of the living passions at play on this issue, but I do belive that heritage is not just about being politically or even morally right and wrong. I don’t think that only the politically and morally right signs of the past must be allowed to survive. And as we say here, even the cleanest dog has the mange.


137 posted on 03/03/2008 11:49:15 AM PST by Mancolicani
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Hi Chance - did they let you back in FR?


138 posted on 03/03/2008 11:49:53 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: r9etb
Unless them black folks got uppity, of course, and wanted to vote or use a different drinking fountain or date a white woman. Then they didn't get along well at all....

To be fair, most of the North was just as segregated and just as racist. You think a black guy could have dated a white woman in 1950s Queens or Cleveland or Sacramento, and not ended up in a world of hurt?

139 posted on 03/03/2008 11:50:13 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Men fight well when they know that no prisoners will be taken.)
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To: wardaddy
"whiney black liberal

such a rarity"

You forgot your "/sarc" tag!
LOL!

140 posted on 03/03/2008 11:50:30 AM PST by Redbob (WWJBD: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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