Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Reaction Thread - SPOILERS!!!!

me | 7/21/2007 | me

[retrokitten]

Good thinking.

[JenB]

And you missed ShootMoot entirely.

[ClearCase_guy]

One thing about the Star Wars movies that always struck we was that Yoda was really wrong about everything. If you look for it, it's remarkable how little Yoda get's right. And the entire Jedi Council couldn't see the Sith in front of their noses. They were all blinded by their arrogance.

I don't think Lucas expolored that very much (that I know of) but I think it was apparent if you look for it.

Rowling, I would say, sees Dumbledore in a similar way, and I think she actively explores it. Yes, he's good. Yes, he's the most powerful wizard in the world. But he's flawed. The world has problems, and some of those problems are the fault of the great Dumbledore.

I think Rowling dives into deep water here, and does a fine job.

[Corin Stormhands]

~snif~

[Pippin]

And the Dwarf shows up!

Hi Corin! :o)

[Corin Stormhands]

The Dwarf has ~been~ here...

[Pippin]

Did you know one of the wizards was really a hobbit?

well, he was short enough th be one!

Prof. Flitwick!

[Pippin]

oops!

gotta go!

have fun!

[CholeraJoe]

Correct. And if Harry dies a natural death, the power of the wand dies with him. However, he's using his repaired Phoenix/Holly wand again and the Elder wand has been replaced in Dumbledore's crypt. If someone disarms him, even of the Phoenix wand, they become the master of the Elder wand.

After all, Draco wasn't carrying the Elder wand when he was disarmed.

[r9etb]

The idea is that someone has to commit evil, and then be hated by the world forever. It's hard to sign up for that kind of role. But if you love humanity, and if you know that the task of betrayal must be done, then you step up. Snape did it. Borges (for the sake of a story) said that Judas did it as well.

I dunno. I think the best excuse that can be suggested for Judas is that he was trying to force God's hand by making Jesus fight -- and in so doing he made the same error that Moses, Abraham, Jacob, and other OT characters made: putting his own agenda ahead of God's, and getting in trouble for it. But I think Judas' essential nature was more base than that.

I don't think Judas "signed up" for the role of betrayal, knowing what would happen. Rather, I think his own persona put him into a position where his betrayal was inevitable. That God used it to make lemonade speaks to the power of God, not any sacrifice on Judas' part. I think Judas was the underhanded thief that John portrayed him to be, and that his reasons for betrayal were probably very complex -- he may not even have understood them. Judas did, I think, love Jesus, as witness his remorse he realized what he'd done. But I think he betrayed Jesus because he was consumed by whatever other motives were at work in him.

Snape's situation is the same as the "base Judas." His essential nature is nasty and twisted. He didn't "sign up" to be hated -- he was hate-able from the get-go, and it consumed him.

But he did have that one redeeming feature (his undying love for Lily)... and he knew real remorse for putting her in danger, not to mention contributing to her death. Note that he wanted Harry to understand why he had done as he did. He was asking for forgiveness, and got it.

[schwing_wifey]

Isn’t the line “only the journey is written, not the destination”?

Similar lines have been written in many places.
I'd guess yours is from one of the Hobbit books?



Nope.... 2nd "Mummy" movie.... kudos to Politicalmom for guessing that one...

[r9etb]

I used to use a Comet 260, but there was this ceiling fan, doncha know?

That explains a lot of things....

[CholeraJoe]

McGonagal was very strict but fair. She would have been completely justified in "Chamber of Secrets" to have expelled Harry and Ron over the flying car incident but didn't.

Then after he used it, she gave Harry a hard time for using the Cruciatus curse on Carrow.

[schwing_wifey]

Gilderoy Lockhart!!! ROTFLMAO!!

What a great picture.

[TalonDJ]

Rowling, I would say, sees Dumbledore in a similar way, and I think she actively explores it. Yes, he's good. Yes, he's the most powerful wizard in the world. But he's flawed. The world has problems, and some of those problems are the fault of the great Dumbledore.

I like him much more as a character now and am much more impressed with JK's writing after this book. The thing is I can't stand that 'I am an all mysterious powerful cryptic wizard' act. Come on, what kind of scumbag sends kids into danger that he could take care of himself quite easily. All through the other books he seemed too scheming. Now it makes much more sense and fits into his personality and flaws. Not that I like the person any more, but as a well written cohesive character I like him better.

[Maigrey]

I'm secretly hoping that they get Dame Judi Dench to do a cameo role for that one. Even if she's on-screen for 15 seconds, it would be so worth it! from my lips to the casting director's ears...

[Tijeras_Slim]

I used to use a Comet 260, but there was this ceiling fan, doncha know?

That explains a lot of things....

I meant to say rogue bludger, honest I did!

[retrokitten]

Oooh! YES! That would be great!

[TalonDJ]

Yeah, she was a much better teacher than Dumbledore. What would she have said to him about manipulating students into taking on dangerous missions?

[r9etb]

I'm secretly hoping that they get Dame Judi Dench to do a cameo role for that one.

Sort of a reprise of her role as Lady Augusta Bracknell in The Importance of Being Earnest.