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To: KeepUSfree
in the face of overwhelming evidence

You have overwhelming evidence of what? That the Universe created itself? Seriously, publish it if you've got it.

Some on this thread may not know about the Anthropic Principle - the idea that this Universe appears to have been designed to allow us to exist. Out of all the infinitely variable boundary conditions of the Universe: the Gravitational constant, the relative strength of the Strong and Weak forces, and many others the Universe just *happens* to have, or to embody, the exact set of parameters which make matter, space and life possible.

Change a constant by a few decimal places, and the Universe would consist only of hydrogen, or only of baryons - or it would have lasted only a few millenia before crunching back on itself. The odds of getting even carbon-synthesis to work are extraordinary small, and everything else has to be "just right" as well

The odds are literally infinitesimal that our Universe just happened to get it right. The religious theory that the Universe was designed - and designed for us - is strongly supported by the extraordinary unlikelihood of the Universe being able to support us.

The usual (atheistic) defence against the Anthropic Principle is to take refuge in the tired Star-Trek trope of there being quadrillions of parallel Universes, one of which is ours.

This is unscientific. Any "other" Universe would have to be completely orthogonal to this one, with no interaction of any kind. If a scientist could detect another Universe, he would have - by definition - simply have detected more of 'the' Universe.

Atheists (those who understand the Anthropic Principle anyway) must insist on there being unthinkable infinities of rigidly unknowable Universes in order for us to have become self-selected observers of this one Universe - the one that happens to have the right conditions for life. This "Million Spheres" approach to cosmogeny is literally unprovable, and therefore unscientific.

40 posted on 08/04/2006 5:34:38 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra
What you said! Bump!

I just love science. It gives me something tanglible to explain some of those things around me that I don't understand.

I have a whole lot of questions for God. He's got the time to answer them...

41 posted on 08/04/2006 5:38:43 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: agere_contra
The odds are literally infinitesimal that our Universe just happened to get it right. The religious theory that the Universe was designed - and designed for us - is strongly supported by the extraordinary unlikelihood of the Universe being able to support us.

The usual (atheistic) defence against the Anthropic Principle is to take refuge in the tired Star-Trek trope of there being quadrillions of parallel Universes, one of which is ours.

It's not atheistic, it's common sense because it may very well be true. Outside creator, and multiverse are BOTH explainations that fit our observations of this universe. Either could be true and there is nothing to indicate one is more certain than the other. So you can't write off one as "tired" and "unscientific" without doing so to the other.

75 posted on 08/04/2006 8:32:07 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: agere_contra
The odds are literally infinitesimal that our Universe just happened to get it right. The religious theory that the Universe was designed - and designed for us - is strongly supported by the extraordinary unlikelihood of the Universe being able to support us.

So who designed God's universe?

100 posted on 08/04/2006 10:12:54 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: agere_contra
Atheists (those who understand the Anthropic Principle anyway) must insist on there being unthinkable infinities of rigidly unknowable Universes in order for us to have become self-selected observers of this one Universe - the one that happens to have the right conditions for life. This "Million Spheres" approach to cosmogeny is literally unprovable, and therefore unscientific.

A million monkeys and Hamlet...
An undetermined number of universes and this one supports life...

Never happened to notice a parallel before.

Cheers!

481 posted on 08/07/2006 9:10:02 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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