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Probing Question: What happened before the Big Bang?
Pennsylvania State University ^ | 03 August 2006 | Barbara Kennedy

Posted on 08/04/2006 4:26:21 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

The question of what happened before the Big Bang long has frustrated cosmologists, both amateur and professional.

Though Einstein's theory of general relativity does an excellent job of describing the universe almost back to its beginning, near the Big Bang matter becomes so dense that relativity breaks down, says Penn State physicist Abhay Ashtekar. "Beyond that point, we need to apply quantum tools that were not available to Einstein."

Now Ashtekar and two of his post-doctoral researchers, Tomasz Pawlowski and Parmpreet Singh, have done just that. Using a theory called loop quantum gravity, they have developed a mathematical model that skates right up to the Big Bang -- and steps through it. On the other side, Ashtekar says, exists another universe with space-time geometry similar to our own, except that instead of expanding, it is shrinking. "In place of a classical Big Bang, there is in fact a quantum Bounce," he says.

Loop quantum gravity, one of the leading approaches to the unification of general relativity with quantum physics, was pioneered at the Institute of Gravitational Physics and Geometry at Penn State, which Ashtekar directs. The theory posits that space-time geometry itself has a discrete "atomic" structure, Ashtekar explains. Instead of the familiar space-time continuum, the fabric of space is made up of one-dimensional quantum threads. Near the Big Bang, this fabric is violently torn, and these quantum properties cause gravity to become repulsive, rather than attractive.

While the idea of another universe existing prior to the Big Bang has been proposed before, he adds, this is the first mathematical description that systematically establishes its existence and deduces its space-time geometry.

"Our initial work assumes a homogenous model of our universe," Ashtekar acknowledges. "However, it has given us confidence in the underlying ideas of loop quantum gravity. We will continue to refine the model to better portray the universe as we know it and to better understand the features of quantum gravity."

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Abhay Ashtekar is holder of the Eberly family chair in physics and director of the Institute for Gravitational Physics and Geometry in the Eberly College of Science. He can be reached at ava1@psu.edu.

The finding reported above was published in Physical Review Letters in May 2006. The research was sponsored by the National Science Foundation, Alexander von Humboldt Foundation, and the Penn State Eberly College of Science.


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To: PatrickHenry
"Posting While Pretending to be Prime"; 687th infraction....
401 posted on 08/05/2006 2:32:02 PM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Eh? In order to measure space, you can go from one point to another. If you didn't hit anything on the way, you went through that distance of space.

Now obviously if the universe is empty than you can't really measure it, but then it's moot anyway because neither you nor I would exist.


402 posted on 08/05/2006 2:36:22 PM PDT by ahayes ("If intelligent design evolved from creationism, then why are there still creationists?"--Quark2005)
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To: PatrickHenry

show off!


403 posted on 08/05/2006 3:15:25 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: longshadow

good slaunchwise pun!


404 posted on 08/05/2006 3:16:18 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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"Toto, I don't think we're in the backroom anymore" placemark


405 posted on 08/05/2006 3:29:26 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Didn't those things within the singularity exist or were they suddenly created?


406 posted on 08/05/2006 3:34:55 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: PatrickHenry

Before the Big Bang?

There was bumping, and thumpin,
and someone said , "Was it god for you?"
Then some idiot just had to light a cigarette.


407 posted on 08/05/2006 3:39:19 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: em2vn
Didn't those things within the singularity exist or were they suddenly created?

My understanding (and IANA physicist) is they did not exist but were created at the time.

408 posted on 08/05/2006 4:09:01 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

Were the componets of which they were comprised exist before the sudden expansion of time space.


409 posted on 08/05/2006 4:29:32 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: ahayes
In order to measure space, you can go from one point to another

How would you locate a point in empty space? IOW what's you're frame of reference?

410 posted on 08/05/2006 4:31:12 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Fake but Accurate": NY Times)
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To: em2vn
Were the componets of which they were comprised exist before the sudden expansion of time space.

I'm not sure of the question. Of what components are space and time comprised?

411 posted on 08/05/2006 4:34:43 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: RunningWolf
That image there is an apt reprensation to the cult of evo, built upon lies and a very sad state of affairs it is.

What does Planned Parenthood have to do with a scientific theory?

412 posted on 08/05/2006 4:49:24 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Creation "science" has a final answer--adherence to the scriptures. All other data are discarded.)
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To: longshadow
"Posting While Pretending to be Prime"; 687th infraction..

Programmer's analysis of "Prime:" 1 is prime, 2 is prime, 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is... a feature, 11 is prime, 13 is prime...

413 posted on 08/05/2006 4:51:30 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Creation "science" has a final answer--adherence to the scriptures. All other data are discarded.)
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To: FreedomCalls
Of what components are space and time comprised?

I'll go out on a limb here and say "space and time."

414 posted on 08/05/2006 4:52:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Creation "science" has a final answer--adherence to the scriptures. All other data are discarded.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
But just like the Big Bang, evolutionary theory is based on an appeal to false authority...

Alas, I am afraid the Big Bang is based on strong observational evidence for an expanding universe. That evidence consists of the cosmological redshift, and the cosmic microwave background. Do you have some alternative explanation for these phenomena?

415 posted on 08/05/2006 5:01:59 PM PDT by HayekRocks
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To: FreedomCalls

The components, shall we say, of the matter that took shape as the universe expanded. Did they arise from nothingness or were they contained in their entireity within the singularity?


416 posted on 08/05/2006 5:21:44 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: freedumb2003
Well it has about as much to do with a scientific theory as the cult of evolution has, or anything you post here as well. IOW a lot or not very much at all.

"Godless: The Church of Liberalism," it wears the cloak of science (pseudo) in the form of evolutionary beliefs.

W.
417 posted on 08/05/2006 5:27:14 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: freedumb2003

You gotta love this place. Every nook and cranny of the Bell Curve is well represented.


418 posted on 08/05/2006 5:37:07 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Everything is blasphemy to somebody.)
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To: RunningWolf
Well it has about as much to do with a scientific theory as the cult of evolution has, or anything you post here as well. IOW a lot or not very much at all.

I see. Factual information really causes you a problem, doesn't it? I see you can't even answer why you posted what you did.

Of course, we now have to deal with the "cult" of astonomy, the "cult" of physics, the "cult" of chemistry.

So many "cults," so little time.

419 posted on 08/05/2006 5:37:59 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Creation "science" has a final answer--adherence to the scriptures. All other data are discarded.)
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To: PatrickHenry
You gotta love this place. Every nook and cranny of the Bell Curve is well represented.

That is in contention to be added to my Tag List!! (LOL)

420 posted on 08/05/2006 5:38:40 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Creation "science" has a final answer--adherence to the scriptures. All other data are discarded.)
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