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What are Darwinists so afraid of?
worldnetdaily.com ^ | 07/27/2006 | Jonathan Witt

Posted on 07/27/2006 3:00:03 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels

What are Darwinists so afraid of?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: July 27, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jonathan Witt © 2006

As a doctoral student at the University of Kansas in the '90s, I found that my professors came in all stripes, and that lazy ideas didn't get off easy. If some professor wanted to preach the virtues of communism after it had failed miserably in the Soviet Union, he was free to do so, but students were also free to hear from other professors who critically analyzed that position.

Conversely, students who believed capitalism and democracy were the great engines of human progress had to grapple with the best arguments against that view, meaning that in the end, they were better able to defend their beliefs.

Such a free marketplace of ideas is crucial to a solid education, and it's what the current Kansas science standards promote. These standards, like those adopted in other states and supported by a three-to-one margin among U.S. voters, don't call for teaching intelligent design. They call for schools to equip students to critically analyze modern evolutionary theory by teaching the evidence both for and against it.

The standards are good for students and good for science.

Some want to protect Darwinism from the competitive marketplace by overturning the critical-analysis standards. My hope is that these efforts will merely lead students to ask, What's the evidence they don't want us to see?

Under the new standards, they'll get an answer. For starters, many high-school biology textbooks have presented Haeckel's 19th century embryo drawings, the four-winged fruit fly, peppered moths hidden on tree trunks and the evolving beak of the Galapagos finch as knockdown evidence for Darwinian evolution. What they don't tell students is that these icons of evolution have been discredited, not by Christian fundamentalists but by mainstream evolutionists.

We now know that 1) Haeckel faked his embryo drawings; 2) Anatomically mutant fruit flies are always dysfunctional; 3) Peppered moths don't rest on tree trunks (the photographs were staged); and 4) the finch beaks returned to normal after the rains returned – no net evolution occurred. Like many species, the average size fluctuates within a given range.

This is microevolution, the age-old observation of change within species. Macroevolution refers to the evolution of fundamentally new body plans and anatomical parts. Biology textbooks use instances of microevolution such as the Galapagos finches to paper over the fact that biologists have never observed, or even described in theoretical terms, a detailed, continually functional pathway to fundamentally new forms like mammals, wings and bats. This is significant because modern Darwinism claims that all life evolved from a common ancestor by a series of tiny, useful genetic mutations.

Textbooks also trumpet a few "missing links" discovered between groups. What they don't mention is that Darwin's theory requires untold millions of missing links, evolving one tiny step at a time. Yes, the fossil record is incomplete, but even mainstream evolutionists have asked, why is it selectively incomplete in just those places where the need for evidence is most crucial?

Opponents of the new science standards don't want Kansas high-school students grappling with that question. They argue that such problems aren't worth bothering with because Darwinism is supported by "overwhelming evidence." But if the evidence is overwhelming, why shield the theory from informed critical analysis? Why the campaign to mischaracterize the current standards and replace them with a plan to spoon-feed students Darwinian pabulum strained of uncooperative evidence?

The truly confident Darwinist should be eager to tell students, "Hey, notice these crucial unsolved problems in modern evolutionary theory. Maybe one day you'll be one of the scientists who discovers a solution."

Confidence is as confidence does.


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To: hellbender; stands2reason
... I don't see FR as a debating society on the validity of scientific theories. It's a political forum for conservatives. ...

And what to include in a high school curriculum is a political question of great interest to conservatives.

1,341 posted on 07/30/2006 12:48:29 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: MHGinTN
As Lisa Randall points out in her recent book...

there are Rules, yanno...


1,342 posted on 07/30/2006 12:52:18 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: tortoise

as I said... I accept them, provisionally, with grumbles and discomfort and a deep yen to have samples of each bottled for direct analysis.

while math is a lovely tool, I remember the bumblebee error, so I really do prefer math *supported with empirical data* to math alone.


1,343 posted on 07/30/2006 12:55:35 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: Finny
There are many obvious reasons, detailed thousands of times in thousands of science textbooks.

Why in particular should one accept the thousands of science textbooks as more authoritative and accurate than the biblical texts? Is it their great number? Is it because you were not present to experience six days of creation and thus weigh your experience in time as more authoritative?

1,344 posted on 07/30/2006 12:56:14 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: hellbender

You asserted, "The basis of Christianity is the New Testament, nothing else." I'm sorry but that is just not accurate as a Christian perspective. See Luke 24:27 where the Bible relates that Jesus tells how His coming and purpose is throughout Moses and the prophets. Then Paul, throughout the letters, and Hebrews, and Romans ... all are sprinkled with reference to The Christ from the source the disciples had in that day, the Hebrew scriptures.


1,345 posted on 07/30/2006 12:58:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Why in particular should one accept the thousands of science textbooks as more authoritative and accurate than the biblical texts?

Because the errors in science textbooks are revised and corrected.

1,346 posted on 07/30/2006 1:00:41 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Science can be wrong for decades. The Bible is wrong forever)
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To: King Prout

Sorry old chap, until your post I didn't have a computer stored picture of the Lady. At sixty, and having read her book and about her modeling techniques (that one should cause some confusion, eh!), I think she's one of the most gorgeous creatures I've ever laid eyes on.


1,347 posted on 07/30/2006 1:03:39 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

all that and brains too...


1,348 posted on 07/30/2006 1:04:45 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: HayekRocks; Alamo-Girl; marron; hosepipe; tortoise; dread78645; King Prout
It appears Mr. Gilder is using a second-hand account of Dale Earnhardt's driving to teach Lance Armstrong how to ride a bicycle.

Jeepers, HayekRocks. Do you mean to suggest that science is so "holy" that it is profaned anytime and everytime a philosopher should lay one single finger on it?

If that is so, what ought a philosopher to say to the raft of "closet metaphysicians" that populate modern biology -- such as Monod, Lewontin, Dawkins, Pinker, Crick, et al.?

Fair's fair, guy. Please advise!

1,349 posted on 07/30/2006 1:07:40 PM PDT by betty boop (The universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. -J.B.S. Haldane)
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To: Oztrich Boy

If that is the case, then why believe a text just because it is subject to error since without such error its correctable value vanishes?


1,350 posted on 07/30/2006 1:10:19 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: King Prout
while math is a lovely tool, I remember the bumblebee error, so I really do prefer math *supported with empirical data* to math alone.

Math follows the GIGO principle. It will give perfectly correct answers for profoundly flawed models.

1,351 posted on 07/30/2006 1:10:58 PM PDT by tortoise
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To: betty boop
The paradox is seldom mentioned that enzymes are required to define or generate the reaction network, and the network is required to synthesize the enzymes and their component amino acids. There is no trace in physics or chemistry of the control of chemical reactions by a sequence of any sort or of a code between sequences. Thus, when we make the distinction between the origin of the genetic code and its evolution we find the origin of the genetic code us unknowable.

Contrary to what was thought in the 1970's, RNA can act as a versatile catalyst itself. It does not require enzymes. Dr. Yockey may have lost sight of the dependence of his own conclusions on assumptions. He also has apparently forgotten that simple inorganic catalysts can accomplish the same transformations that enzymes do. Many of the most primitve enzymes are actually protein wrapped about a tiny nodule of iron and sulfur, as if the nodule came first and the protein later on, perhaps to tune the properties of the nodule.

My reading tells me that most abiogenetic hypotheses now involve spaces of limited dimensionality; surfaces, or interstices. In such spaces, the chemistry is exceedingly different. In the abiogenetic banquet, the soup course is over. :-)

I am very grateful for your immediate response to my request. Yockey should be on my reading list, even though his perspective seems to be a little dated.

1,352 posted on 07/30/2006 1:11:23 PM PDT by HayekRocks
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To: betty boop
Jeepers, HayekRocks. Do you mean to suggest that science is so "holy" that it is profaned anytime and everytime a philosopher should lay one single finger on it?

I had no idea Mr. Gilder was considered a philosopher. I see him more as a pop science writer.

If that is so, what ought a philosopher to say to the raft of "closet metaphysicians" that populate modern biology -- such as Monod, Lewontin, Dawkins, Pinker, Crick, et al.?

In my experience, which is somewhat limited, few philosophers take them seriously as philosophers.

1,353 posted on 07/30/2006 1:27:05 PM PDT by HayekRocks
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To: tortoise

yeh.


1,354 posted on 07/30/2006 1:40:32 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: HayekRocks; Alamo-Girl; tortoise; Coyoteman; MHGinTN; hosepipe; marron; spunkets; xzins; ...
In my experience, which is somewhat limited, few philosophers take them seriously as philosophers.

Then you must not be a philosopher. :^)

Speaking as one of those -- by temperament, training, and experience -- perhaps you should note that philosophers attentive to developments in modern science are acutely aware of the "ontological reductionism" implied by the doctrine of scientific materialism, a/k/a metaphysical naturalism. For the thinkers I named (a partial list indeed, two of whom are Nobel laureates no less), we are no longer speaking of a scientific method -- i.e., methodological naturalism -- but of a full-scale worldview, or cosmology, that holds the entire universe reduces to one single principle, the material. If that is not a "philosophy," then what would you call it, HayekRocks?

Need I add that this "philosophy" encroaches not only on the domains of metaphysics and cosmology, but on theology as well?

1,355 posted on 07/30/2006 2:22:34 PM PDT by betty boop (The universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. -J.B.S. Haldane)
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To: hellbender

It is, whether you think so or not.


1,356 posted on 07/30/2006 2:23:12 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: HayekRocks; Alamo-Girl; tortoise; marron; hosepipe; dread78645; King Prout; Coyoteman
My reading tells me that most abiogenetic hypotheses now involve spaces of limited dimensionality; surfaces, or interstices. In such spaces, the chemistry is exceedingly different. In the abiogenetic banquet, the soup course is over. :-)

And my reading tells me that abiogenesis is immediately akin to tortoise's famous "purple elephant under the bed." If Yockey's insights are correct, then not only is the soup course over, but the whole banquet is over.

But if folks want to keep looking for the purple elephant, I have no objection whatsoever.

If you have a bone to pick with Yockey -- whom I regard as not only not passe, but as breaking new, important, potentially liberating ground -- then it would be best for you to take it up with him directly: Certainly he can defend his work far, far better than I can.

But do read his book first!

Thanks ever so much for writing, HayekRocks!

1,357 posted on 07/30/2006 2:40:52 PM PDT by betty boop (The universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. -J.B.S. Haldane)
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To: King Prout
Then I stripped them, scalp from skull, and my hunting-dogs fed full,
And their teeth I threaded neatly on a thong;
And I wiped my mouth and said, "It is well that they are dead,
For I know my work is right and theirs was wrong."

But my Totem saw the shame; from his ridgepole-shrine he came,
And he told me in a vision of the night: -
"There are nine and sixty ways of constructing tribal lays,
"And every single one of them is right!"

Do you like Kipling? I dunno, I never kipled

1,358 posted on 07/30/2006 2:46:52 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Gumlegs

The Gunfight at the OK Oral.


1,359 posted on 07/30/2006 2:47:31 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: King Prout
Bumblebee #1

Bumblebee #2

Bumblebee #3

1,360 posted on 07/30/2006 2:59:15 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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