Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Intelligent Design case decided - Dover, Pennsylvania, School Board loses [Fox News Alert]
Fox News | 12/20/05

Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: biology; creation; crevolist; dover; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; keywordpolice; ruling; scienceeducation
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 381-400401-420421-440 ... 3,381-3,391 next last
To: narby; xzins; Alamo-Girl; Michael_Michaelangelo
God created hurricane Katrina to. Right?

That's too. And that's yes.

Is not God in control? Was God powerless to prevent the damage caused by Katrina? Is God impotent in the face of Mother Nature? Is Mother Nature capable of thwarting God's will? If so, then Mother Nature is God.

401 posted on 12/20/2005 10:17:28 AM PST by P-Marlowe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 335 | View Replies]

To: narby
Evolution happens every time you take an antibiotic.

That would be operational science, because it can be observed. Origin science, by it's nature, cannot be observed.

402 posted on 12/20/2005 10:17:33 AM PST by Smogger
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 339 | View Replies]

To: BikerNYC
He decided what is and what is not science.

Do you really want judges (read, lawyers) deciding what is and is not science? Heck. Even scientists and philosphers of science cannot establish agreed upon demarcation criteria for science.

Cordially,

403 posted on 12/20/2005 10:18:21 AM PST by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: xzins
His a priori assumption ...

Maybe I'm wrong, but every time I see "a priori", I think "IDer". Just like when I see the term "sustainable", I think "Liberal".

How come you guys like that word so much? Or is that just one person making all those posts?

404 posted on 12/20/2005 10:18:27 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 313 | View Replies]

To: unlearner

This judge has done nothing to abridge your right to worship as you see fit. The fact that you believe this ruling abridges your right to practice your religion (in the public schools) proves that you believe that intelligent design is religious in nature.


405 posted on 12/20/2005 10:18:32 AM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 385 | View Replies]

To: js1138

My comment on this thread is that this case was so poorly presented that this is not the end of ID. It will simply learn from this how not to present in court.

So....I don't think this case will get to court.

I think this issue will eventually get to court.

Personally, though, I think the judge's decision to a priori group ID with fundamentalism was prejudicial and flawed.


406 posted on 12/20/2005 10:19:15 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 354 | View Replies]

To: plewis1250
"That is not a lie. You know that the big bang theory is taught as "scientific fact" right along with evolution. It is the catalyst for the beginning of evolution."

That's a lie. They have nothing to do with each other. Evolution was around as a scientific theory for over a hundred years before the Big Bang was widely accepted. Darwin never used it, because in his day the Big Bang had not even been conceived of. How can the Big Bang be important for evolutionary theory if the BB theory wasn't even around when the ToE was formulated?
407 posted on 12/20/2005 10:19:16 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 395 | View Replies]

To: narby
You mean faithful people who accept evolution aren't allowed in science classes?

No. I mean the notion of faithful people that God has anything to do with evolution cannot, and will not, be allowed in the science room or any of its textbooks - at least according to this judge and his cheerleaders.

408 posted on 12/20/2005 10:20:03 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 392 | View Replies]

To: polymuser
Or read C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity", by the atheist turned Christian.

I've read it, and I'm a committed Christian. But the question was about the science of evolution.

409 posted on 12/20/2005 10:20:05 AM PST by cogitator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 371 | View Replies]

To: VadeRetro
I forget who it was, but Camille Paglia described someone as having "the intellectual depth of a pancake." She thinks Rush Limbaugh is a gifted political satirist, but she heaps well deserved disdain on Pat Buchanan. His sister is even more of a self parody.
410 posted on 12/20/2005 10:20:37 AM PST by rootkidslim (... got the Sony rootkit on your Wintel box? You can thank Orrin Hatch!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 310 | View Replies]

To: plewis1250
Evolution explains the start of the universe as being a "big bang"... out of nothingness matter was... created? Formed into existence... there ya go, that’s what they say.

Honestly, how often does it have to be repeated that the Big Bang Theory and Evolutionary Theory have absolutely nothing to do with each another? Repeatedly conflating two unrelated theories from two entirely different branches of science certainly doesn't enhance one's credibility with anyone educated past first grade.

411 posted on 12/20/2005 10:21:49 AM PST by RogueIsland
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 382 | View Replies]

To: Protagoras
Scientific fact,,,all people who disagree with evolutionists are ignoramuses.

True. A lot of them anyway.

412 posted on 12/20/2005 10:22:26 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 327 | View Replies]

To: ThinkDifferent

Dogmatism entails asserting as fact that which cannot be proven. As such mathematical statements regarding geometry do not qualify.


413 posted on 12/20/2005 10:22:35 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 398 | View Replies]

To: PatrickHenry

Some of the resulting discussion seems to be bringing out the hidden agendas. Well, not so well hidden after all, but discussion of the law is good for society. We should take a look beyond our own white picket fences once in a while.


414 posted on 12/20/2005 10:23:06 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: cogitator

and string theory.


415 posted on 12/20/2005 10:23:29 AM PST by flevit
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 400 | View Replies]

To: xzins
Their motives have absolutely nothing to do with the strengths or weaknesses of ID theory.

True as far as it goes. I hope you will find time in your busy schedule to remind evolution critics that the motives of scientists also have no bearing on the value of their theories.

What makes ID special in this court case is the written record of the Discovery Instituter's use of ID to weaken the foundations of science. There is also the paper trail left by the authors of "Pandas and People" in which creationism was replaced by ID.

The real problem with ID is there is no there there. No research, no suggestions for research. If you are going to be science, you have to be in the field testing a hypothesis. ID has no hypothesis. Just a list of unexplained things. You aren't doing science by pointing out that some things are unexplained. You do science by seeking explanations.

416 posted on 12/20/2005 10:23:54 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 394 | View Replies]

To: narby
When "creation scientists" describe the mechanism that prevents so called "micro" evolution from continuing on to become "macro" evolution, let me know.

I think its called genetics. Even though you can run through thousands of generations of fruit flies in a short time you still end up with fruit flies.

417 posted on 12/20/2005 10:24:10 AM PST by Z.Hobbs
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 142 | View Replies]

To: Stark_GOP
Oh...were you meaning public schools?

hahahahaha!

418 posted on 12/20/2005 10:25:24 AM PST by latina4dubya
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Antonello
The idea of 'micro' and 'macro' evolution is a creation scientist construct. Evolutionary scientists see no distinction between the two.

I have a 30-or-so year old book with the overly-ambitious title of "Teach yourself genetics". In this book there is a section on evolution and they do use the term micro and macro evolution, so I doubt it is really a creation science construct. Interestingly the book also uses the term mega-evolution to refer to evolution above the macro-evolution scale, although this term doesn't seem to be used any more.

419 posted on 12/20/2005 10:25:48 AM PST by bobdsmith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 397 | View Replies]

To: narby
Please explain the difference between theory and "scientific theory". I'm sure there must be one.

My "intended" meaning is precisely what I wrote.

Both beliefs are thus far theory. However, it is my suspicion that you will find the proof to one quite earlier than you think. Actually, you may find out how it all works at the same time. :^}

,,,,,,,Or not.

420 posted on 12/20/2005 10:26:05 AM PST by Protagoras (Many people teach their children that Jesus is story character but Santa Claus is real.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 364 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 381-400401-420421-440 ... 3,381-3,391 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Smoky Backroom
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson